Seleção Sub-teams thread, 2015-17 [R]

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  1. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I think its safe to say Nigeria won't be afraid of Brasil... Not saying Brasil doesn't have a chance, just that Nigeria - surprisingly - will start as hot favorites and with Nigeria's terrible defensive line no way will they sit back...
     
  2. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I guess you are right, but do not forget that sunday we will see Brazil u17 playing against Nigeria u23,
     
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  3. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    That joke is old and if anything its the other way around. Nigeria has done a lot to stem out age cheating and you would have to be blind to state that the kids playing for Nigeria are any older than they claim to be. Brasil on the other hand seem to be sporting 30 year olds... No way half of those players are under 20...

    C'mon... just look at the below picture. Obviously players on the wrong age side of their career:
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    Kelechi Iheanacho for one is proving that this new breed of Nigerians is just superbly talented and young.
     
  4. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  5. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So you have the answer of how the suberbs u17 players from Nigeria turn to nothing in the big stages when they face adult ones.
     
  6. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Have you seen Iheanacho? Isaac Success? Wilfried Ndidi? I'm not saying Nigeria (like Brasil) hasn't age cheated in the past. But unlike Brasil Nigeria has tackled the issue, while Brasil continues playing 30 year olds.

    The last set of players is 18-19 years old.

    Another thing: Unlike Brasil, Nigeria doesn't have a proper league to develop locally, so once youth football is gone they either move to Europe to whoever pays or stop developing further.
     
  7. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Nigeria, Ghana - All those ********ers are Gato. All they do is lie on their age year after year. Brasil doesn't stand a chance playing against 23 year old fukers. And there is absolutely no way to prove it.
     
  8. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Yes, there is. Mandatory MRI testing which is conducted on all the African players which have 99% accuracy. Ghana got banned this year for using overage players. Nigeria conducts 3 MRI scans on all their players, CAF performs 1 such test. All the Nigerian players passed those tests.

    Not to mention the Nigerians are obviously kids. Unlike the 30-year old Selecao players which have no such MRI testing scheme and continue to play elder dudes. And it looks to be much worse than usual this year. I guess Brasil will do anything to win and become top dogs at this level again... Fukin obvious cheats. But it won't help them becuase they are a talentless lot...
     
  9. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Where the fuk do you get off making dangerously criminal accusations that CBF are using 30 year old players in their U17 WC line up?
    What evidence of any do you have?
    And all that bullshit of MRI on Nigerian players? I don't buy that for one minute, I mean come on, the players leg has that one foot high bulging muscle, a muscle that appears only on humans above 20 years of age, you know like when US's Freddy Adu was supposedly 15 years old, doesn't take a genius to realize the ********ing cheating.
     
  10. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You are pathetic.
     
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  11. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I feared that we would get worked. Mediocre crop of players this cycle.
     
  12. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Today our u17 team played better than in the prior games , we had a bad time in the game and it cost us . Our coach is not very good because did not know what to do.
    It's a shame this fraud of placing players clearly above 17 ya to compete along side players u17. My encouragement is that fraud does not survive after the u17 category and the 52th place Nigeria is in the FIFA rankings clearly demonstrates the fraud. They have never been and I hope will never be prominent in the world of football.
     
  13. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    You mean the Brasilian fraudulent U30 squad?

    Unlike Brasil (who is obviously full of overage players) Nigeria tested all their players in MRI scans.

    Brasil - like Nigeria - has a long and proven history of age fraud. Unlike Brasil, Nigeria has actually done a lot to stem out the cheating. And its evident to anyone with half a brain that they are now U17.
     
  14. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Mengao, do something about this asshole
     
  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What major cases of age fraud has Brazil had compared to Nigeria? The examples of age fraud in Nigeria are much more prevalent than they ever were in Brazil. We've only had one example in the last 15 years.
     
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  16. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    You've had one proven example. Nigeria has has zero. The Brasilians were obviously overage.

    Africa embraced MRI scan tests. Brasil continues to ignore them.

    Africa therefore has 99% proof of not commiting age fraud. Brasil 20% proof (random testing).
     
  17. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Just a simple Google search of age fraud and majority of the links are related to African teams. Just 2 years ago Nigeria had players kicked off their u-17 team.
     
  18. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Nigeria has had a ton. They've had half their squad commit age fraud and banned from tournaments.

    Nigeria did not embrace MRI scans. FIFA pushed it upon them and they were met with resistance. It was not only after much time that they caved in to their request. Why do you think they were asked to the MRI scan and not other countries? Because age fraud is much more prevalent.

     
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  19. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    In 2009, the Confederation of African Football (CAF) was embarrassed in the run-up to the Under-17 World Cup in Nigeria when FIFA introduced MRI scans to ensure teams were not fielding overage players.

    Wary of the tests, Africa's competitors ran their own tests to discover a handful of The Gambia's African championship-winning side were overage, while Nigeria was forced to drop over a dozen players from its proposed squad.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/01/sport/football/age-african-football-mbemba/
     
  20. lucio souza

    lucio souza Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    BRAZIL
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I found many articles stating that Nigeria is, by far, the country that most use fraud in age. The bone scan introduced by fifa can reduce but not stop the problem. As long as we (Brazil) have just one case proven of over age, they have more than one hundred. And they continue doing this shit. Read this:

    "Nigeria has by far the worst reputation when it comes to age fraud in football. In the late 1980s, the Super Eagles were actually banned from all FIFA competitions for two years after it was confirmed that three of the players in the country's 1988 Olympics team had birthdays different to ones used in previous tournaments. Prior to the 2009 U17 World Cup, FIFA announced new measures to test age and Nigeria subsequently dropped 15 players from their squad. Many more examples exist and in 2010 Anthony Kojo Williams, briefly a supporter of change as head of the Nigerian Football Federation in the late 1990s, stated in relation to age fraud: "We always cheat. It's a fact".

    "Nwankwo Kanu's official age is 33 but his real age is 42. Obafemi Martins is not 25 but 32. Jay-Jay Okocha was 10 years older than his "official" age throughout his career. And Taribo West, whose playing career ended only two years ago, is in his late fifties. Who says so? A stream of bloggers on some of Nigeria's most popular websites, in response to comments made after the country's timid effort in last month's Africa Cup of Nations".

    "Former Nigeria international Jonathan Akpoborie, 45, says age fraud is "rampant" in African football and describes it as the "biggest problem" the game faces there".

    http://www.90min.com/posts/714018-age-fraud-in-football-why-would-a-player-lie-about-how-old-he-is

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/feb/21/nigerian-football-age-old-problem

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26174252
     
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  21. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    So basically... what you're all saying is that... age fraud used to be a big problem, but now all U17 players are age tested?

    Thank you for proving my point.
     
  22. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    So you're saying that... Nigeria is combating age cheating, while Brasil isn't doing anything of the sorts? :D
     
  23. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Why do anything when it's not a problem and never was as prevalent as it was in Africa? There's a reason why FIFA pushed it upon African nations and not anyone else.
     
  24. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Nope, it isn't a problem in Brazil youth team or any place else as @Mengão86 mention. We had 1 documented case where as African teams had multiple cases.
     
  25. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Lie to yourselves. It was pretty obvious Brasil was fielding guys with teenage kids of their own vs bona fide Nigerian youngsters.

    Age cheating is a big problem in Brasilian football, but unlike Africa a blind eye has been turned in that direction. C'mon... just look at the Brasil 'U17' (haha) team.

    http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/soweta...ts-now-big-problem-in-south-american-football
     

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