Seleção General Discussion, 2018 and beyond

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Century's Best, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Militao was a RB at SPFC and a promising one at that. Only at Porto was he converted into a CB and unfortunately, Tite seems him as a CB as well. Unfortunately, there aren't any RBs that can come in on a win now situation and produce. Tite is familiar with Fagner from his Corinthians days, so he is always going to be the default option until someone steps up.
     
  2. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Emerson from Atletico-MG, Luan Candido from Palmeiras and Carlos Augusto from Corinthians. There was another one too who plays in Belgium. Out of those, only Emerson saw any real first team time.

    I don't remember the ones from the U-17. There was one from Palmeiras, but nothing promising.
     
  3. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Fernandinho wtf?
    Very disappointed Vinicius Junior not included.
    Coutinho, come on, we need some new blood here!
    No DEDE, also a surprise to me. Couple of these convocados, smh.
    PRA FRENTE BRASIL !!!
     
  4. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Qatar won't let Neymar go easy. They played real hard ball with Verratti when he wanted to move to Barca. They have put Rabiot, a player they probably could have used, in the freezer. Although I don't think they'd go that far with Neymar because they'd look really bad benching him in an arm wrestling battle. Even with Neymar's bad reputation, the Qataris would look like complete failures if they let a situation with Neymar go that far.

    @Estuardo A. Lopez is right in that Neymar doesn't have a lot of options either. His big move was to Madrid, and they don't seem that desperate for him at the moment. They will have Hazzard coming next season and Vinicius Jr is coming along really well, who could become their hook in the Brazilian market. They'd take Neymar, but not at any price IMO.

    Neymar could be acting out to force a move, but I believe he will stay at least one more season at PSG. He needs to finish at least one full season with them. Unless the Qataris all of a sudden find him disposable as his stock falls.
     
  5. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Vinicius was a lock up until the point he got injured I feel.

    I don’t know how Fernandinho got on this team. Has he played any friendlies for Tite post WC. Clearly, playing for Pep and another great season at City got him called up.
     
  6. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I know players that make it typically help out a lot of family and friends financially , but when you make 90m overall and people claim an extra 10 or 20m a year justifies a transfer because he is looking out for his future that’s just plain nuts .
     
  7. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    He has been injured a lot. But whenever he played, he did well. In the UCL, especially against Ajax, he was sorely missed. Juve lacked pace and penetration that he provided them this season whenever he played. In the absence of Douglas Coata (and Cuadrado), Bernardeschi was the lone player able to dribble past the opposition (Dybala is too slow to do that successfully). The problem with Costa is that he is regularly injured. And I can understand why Tite would not count on him because of that aspect alone.
     
  8. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
  9. SebasOlive

    SebasOlive New Member

    Arsenal
    Brazil
    May 6, 2019
    It’s fair to say brazil isn’t really feared in the way they used to in the international scene. Unfortunately for the women’s team, they’ve never had even close to enough support from the Federation, all while the men are failing to live up to expectation. To think they’re supposed have two of the best players the country has produced. As a brazilian, it’s difficult to have our hope slightly lowered with each tournament, even though we’re supposed to be among the powerhouses with each tournament. http://www.thebrkdwnsports.com/the-brazilian-conundrum/
     
  10. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm watching the final of the 2019 Toulon Tournament between Brazil and Japan. This is my favorite tournament because I have seen it in its entirety 3 times.
    The two fullbacks for Brazil are actually quite good.
     
  11. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    dude, the women's team lost 9 games in a row heading into the tournament. They are staying at a 5 star resort when they generate no revenue, calma. And the mens team is/was the betting favorite in the last 3 or 4 tournaments. It's not the 70's or 80's anymore, no national team in the world is "feared".
     
  12. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Brazil won on penalties after a 1-1 tie in regular time.
     
  13. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    what did you think of the gk ivan??????
     
  14. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Juca Kfouri

    Tite could be on his way out ...

    Fontes próximas de Tite dão conta que com qualquer resultado no domingo, contra o Peru, ele sairá da CBF.

    Estaria decepcionado com o desmonte de sua comissão técnica, com as saídas de Edu Gaspar, Sylvinho e do analista Fernando Lázaro, além de discordar da CBF que não estaria disposta a manter uma comissão fixa. Tudo no condicional, como se vê, porque fontes, também próximas a Tite, garantem que ele gostaria que os três profissionais não saíssem, mas ficou feliz com as oportunidades que se abriram para eles no Arsenal, caso de Edu Gaspar, e no Lyon, de Sylvinho e de Lázaro.

    Essas mesmas fontes que anunciam sua saída, admitem que a vitória no domingo poderá mudar a cabeça de Tite.
     
  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Still doesn’t make sense to me. He’s going to let go of his dream job to work elsewhere and with different assistants anyways, so what’s the point. I read a similar rumor about him leaving and taking a job in China. Either way, if he’s working, he will need new assistants. While I do think Tite is a good coach, he really seems to get uncomfortable once things are taken from his comfort zone. Is this something a lot of coaches go through? Sure, but I think Tite is at a higher degree.
     
  16. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yeah I'd be surprised if he left. Although with all that Neymar BS pre-start of CA he looked pretty drained and fed up with it.

    For a minute I wondered if Edu and Sylvinho are leaving because Tite has already told them he won't continue.

    Rumor is CBF wants to put a permanent staff in place ... in essence they want to choose the personnel instead of Tite. I am thinking they are feeling they gave him and his crew too much power to make whatever logistical decisions in the WC.

    If he decides to go to China, it doesn't matter because it will be about money and he also won't have all that pressure he has with us.
     
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  17. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007

    Rumor about Renato Gaucho or Mano Menezes! oh well...
     
  18. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Apparently Tite may have gotten offered a truck load of money from China.

    Mano is CBF President's favorite.
     
  19. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #569 Ombak, Jul 7, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2019
    Next friendlies: Colombia and Peru in September. They could be pretty explosive friendlies.

    (Peru match might be in LA, I might have to think about going to this one, I wish I could see the call-up first).
     
  20. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  21. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    You mean 1 year anniversary of losing to Korea 2-0? You're 9 days late for that.
     
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  22. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    With Copa América 2019 now history, Brazil has rebounded from Russia 2018, at least partially. Tite has tinkered a bit with the roster and found some good options, such as Everton Cebolinha and he has also found midfield possibilities beyond Fernandinho. Arthur, whom everyone thought was the next big thing as Grêmio won the 2017 Libertadores and is now in Barcelona, showed his mettle and that he’s got the goods to be a regular NT player.

    Most importantly, Tite proved that he can be sufficiently flexible (given his history of stubbornly refusing to make changes in the team) if the circumstances demand it. Tite’s standing has been strengthened by the title campaign, not the least because the victory yesterday shows that Brazil can function successfully without Neymar.

    While the rape allegations (now all but debunked as his accuser has lost all credibility) did shake the team’s atmosphere nearly 1 month ago, what Tite did do was to analyze his options and see what updates the team needed to remain dangerous up front without Neymar. This is going to potentially have positive short and long-term consequences, because both managing staff and players now know from experience that the team can perform at a high level without Neymar.

    Neymar will return, and when he’s on a good day, Brazil is even more dangerous. However, Tite’s challenge will not be limited to reincorporating Neymar into the roster, but also work on Neymar’s antics. Tite is not paid as Brazil NT manager to be a moral leader; if Neymar wants to establish relationships with women through Instagram, that’s Neymar’s personal business. But when Neymar is capped and he dons Brazil’s uniform, Neymar needs to submit his antics to the greater good of the team. Daniel Alves said it very well yesterday, when he said Tite is the “ship’s captain.” Daniel Alves may not have Neymar’s star power and he’s got fewer years to win a World Cup than Neymar does, but with 41 titles and the leadership he’s shown on the pitch, Neymar would be wise to simply become another member of the team. All those players are playing for Brazil because they’re world-class talents. Neymar may be the most talented, but he’s not special to the extent he should get away with privileges that only reinforce his penchant for behavior that could negatively impact team morale and unity.

    There is absolutely no doubt that the roster for Qatar 2022 will differ from the roster of 23 that Tite chose for this home tournament. In addition to the makeup of the team, Tite needs to stay sharp on tactics and how the game evolves. He is a known student of the game, a meticulous observer and analyst who doesn’t ever think he has arrived. There are talents who were left out of this roster, such as Dudu, Fabinho, Lucas Moura, and Vinicius Junior. When will Tite test them? And which names will he bring into the roster to keep the defense strong? With Brazil having failed to reach the 2019 U-20 World Cup, will he find any very young names who could possibly be given opportunities in the near future? How involved will Tite be with André Jardine as Brazil must again compete in a pre-Olympic qualifying tournament – should Brazil secure a spot in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, will Tite grant anyone from the U23 team a chance in the senior team?

    The Copa América triumph was sweet, deserved, and celebrated. This tournament is the most important for all CONMEBOL national teams after the World Cup. But as significant as the Copa América is, the ultimate goal is of course the World Cup. With qualification starting in March 2020, Tite will hopefully use any and all FIFA friendlies in the second semester of 2019 to improve the team further.
     
  23. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Tite now needs to concentrate on renewing the defense. This was a farewell (I would imagine) tournament for a few players including Thiago Silva, Dani Alves, Filipe Luis, Alex Sandro, "Fagner", Miranda. Marcelo should be gone too. With Dani Alves performance some are speculating if he could get to 2022. Very unlikely. WCQ starts March of next year. We could still see some of these players play as others are phased in. I'd imagine Marquinhos and Militao will anchor the back. The FB position is a crap shoot.

    I think Tite needs to be thinking about a Casemiro replacement as well. Don't really like how he has been playing. Would imagine Fabinho starts getting a look. Up front we are already trying new talent. Most are good although not exceptional so far. Just need to figure out what works the best.

    Coutinho is a question mark. I think he works well when other pieces are functioning to take pressure off him .... specially with Neymar on the team. Looking forward to see how Vinicius Jr. is incorporated as I believe he has the most potential to be a difference maker up front.
     
  24. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So with the September friendlies, I'd love to see:

    A different starter in central defense alongside Marquinhos
    A new left-back (everyone is talking about Renan Lodi, but the biggest take away for me is there are many more potential left-backs than right-backs on the radar right now)
    Fabinho getting a start
    Vini Jr. getting playing time, maybe even a start

    I'm ok with starting Dani Alves in that context (keep half the defense, don't replace 3/4 in one game).

    So: Dani Alves, Militao, Marquinhos, Renan?

    I think it's almost certain we'll see a front-line of Neymar, Firmino, Gabriel Jesus and that Casemiro and Arthur will start in the middle. As for Coutinho, I love the guy, but I am at a loss as to what to do for the offensive-midfield spot.

    I feel like we could experiment with Neymar there and give someone else the left-wing spot.

    Everton, Firmino, GJ
    with Neymar behind them and a midfield of Casemiro/Arthur (or Casemiro/Fabinho?)

    We have 6 matches before the first World Cup qualifiers (March next year) and not too long after that is Copa America.
     
  25. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I am not sure GJ is cut out to be a winger. Not against the better teams anyways. VJr could probably play left or right. I also did not like Firmino up front. We need something better. Or maybe it will click with other pieces around him changing.
     

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