But you're contradicting your line-up, cuz you don't even have Jo on there.. you have Pato and Damiao who have been worthless as of this year, especially Pato.
Damiao has 8 goals in 18 games if you call that worthless well go ahead and Pato is twice the player fred is all he needs to do is stay healthy. And the only reason I mentioned Jo is to give you an example that you cant say all he does is score goals. Pato can score a goal on his own while fred all he does is poach and doesnt bring anything else to the game. []__[]
Fred is the reigning leading scorer of the Brasileirao... so I guess all those goals were poached right? Pato is twice the player, but he's yet to show it.. lmao Pato can't even hit an open net from inside the box even if he had three legs right now, also why would I need a forward who can score on his own when it seems its more effective when a player like Jo or Fred "poachers" are on the field. Isn't that why we have Neymar and Hulk?? to set these players up? Thats a poor stat for Damiao considering the level on display in the Gauchao... We're talking about a state tournament where you have a 50% chance of winning if you're Gremio or Internacional. Its also a poor stats compared to his past seasons where he scored in excess of 30 goals in all tournaments.. doesn't look like he'll hit that mark this season.
No one gives a shit about reputation. Action talks and bullshit walks. And Fred is proving invaluable towards the Selecao. Pato wants to be taken into account? He has to step up his game. Right now, Fred is many times the player Pato is and he managed to do this in a Brazilian club who is currently the reigning national champions.
Pato can't hold a candle to Fred. Call Fred what you want but he is a better finalizer than Pato. Pato ATM isn't holding his worth in salt. I thought he would of made a difference in Timao but Romarinho is making sure Pato stays on the bench.
I agree that ideally you'd like a player that's a bit more complete and involved than Fred, but why someone would question Fred's place on this Brazil team is beyond me. Fred is Brazil's most consistent player. In any given match when Fred suits up for the Seleção, you can bet that Fred will score. That is an unbelievable record, and why anyone would trade that for Daimão, who has been defining the term "average" this season, or Pato, who has done zilch to show he's ready for a callup in a long time, is simply baffling. Fred's the best of the worst generation of Brazillian strikers since a while ago. Accept it. He's proven for club and country, he's been a centrepiece of one of the best teams in Brazil, he's got an unimpeachable record under Scolari, and he knows how to put balls in nets.
It's weird because I can half-understand the argument - I love potential, I love Ganso, Pato and others and all they could be or could have been. When Ronaldo was 17 and on the bench I argued he should start, or sub in during the World Cup. When Raí was benched I wanted Ronaldo instead of Mazinho, all based on the Iceland friendly and his Cruzeiro performances. But I will never trade potential for someone who's actually performing. So Fred, even though he plays for Fluminense (I'm Flamengo) and isn't flashy, will get my approval when it comes to the national team as long as he keeps doing what he's doing. If there's a window to win the spot, it will come with good league performances and friendly games. Not the Confed Cup. And if someone is playing amazing in the league, gets that shot, but can't score when given the chance, then they don't get to take Fred's spot.
Fred seems to be our very own Fillipo Inzaghi - "so busy scoring goals that he never learned how to play football"
What has he proven for country, what meaningful goal has he scored for brasil. He is far from the most consisted player for brasil, there is a kid named Neymar that might differ from that assessment. []__[]
Where was Neymar before this Confederations Cup?? Fred has always been there to save the day when called upon. Noob.
He was polishing his Olympic silver ...LOL I like both players but Fred doesn't have the media weight as Neymar does Be happy thar both are on the team with great scoring abilities.
To save what day? LOL You act like Fred has accomplished a lot with Brasil national team. How did Fred saved the day at Copa America 2011 or WC 2010. He scores a few poachers goals in some friendlies and CC and all of it sudden he is Brasil's savior. []__[]
I'm not comparing him in anyway to Neymar, but he did save the day and the Copa in 2011 with few minutes played. If it wasn't for his 90th minute goal against Paraguay, brasil wouldnt have made it past the group stage.
That goal didnt change anything at the copa without it brasil still makes it out of group and faces the same opponent in the quarterfinals. And remember Fred was also one of the players that missed their attempt in the penalty shootout vs Paraguay. []__[]
Fred has done more for Brazil in little time than Neymar has.. In 2013 alone where both have finally cemented a place in the XI Fred has as many goals as Neymar with 6.. and in fewer games.. his per goal a game ratio is better than Neymars.. Plus the opponents in which Fred has scored against have also been at a higher level than Neymar's opposition. In 2013.. Neymar has a brace against Bolivia, Chile B side, Japan, Mexico and Italy.. two real respective sides.. while Fred on the other hand has scored against England twice, Russia, and Italy three times. So you're saying if you put in Damiao in for Fred, Damiao would've scored these goals against these opponents??? lulz You're delusional.
LOLOLOL that's all i can do with your post... wont even try to respond since I just realized I'm arguing with a handicapped person. []__[]
Perhaps you are what you describe Cartracho_Azul as? He gave a very coherent and succinct arguement that Fred has more important goals than Neymar. You have done nothing to rebut this, preferring instead to insult him and left it at that. Wake me up when you have something relevant to say, will ya?
BTW ... Scolari has now completed 10 straight wins in competitive matches for Brazil. Longest of any manager.
Eu sempre acreditei no trabalho do Poderoso Chefão. Cadê aqueles que ficaram falando mal? lawsonishere and Lucas Gomes Felipão also beat two former WC champions in France and Italy, something that never happened during the Mano era. All hail, Felipão!!!
To say Fred has scored more important goals than Neymar is ridiculous and doesnt deserve a reply. The fact that you agree with him shows your mentality as well. There is nothing coherent about his post and finally you speak when spoken to in the meantime halt die klappe schlampe. []__[]
Ehhhhhh I have given him credit because he has deserved it. He has instilled some pride and grittiness in this team that he didn't do at Palmeiras or Chelsea. I could nit pick and complain about the style of play like the rest of the forum but I am a pragmatist and understand that international football is tight to begin with. Felipao has made brave moves which are unpopular but they have worked. For instance him pairing a destroyer (Gustavo, Fernando,) with Paulinho which is unpopular but effective. His trust in Fred has impressed me along with his squad selections in general. Not trying to back out of eating crow but maybe at his age he is better suited for international management more then the day to day grind of league/Brasileirao play. I still think his job at Palmeiras was disgraceful. He has me optimistic for the World cup now at least.
I'm just pulling your leg, lawsonishere. But seriously, Felipão is a mata-mata (knockout) specialist. Look at all of his titles and best jobs. They've come in elimination or knockout scenarios. He never did that great in a standard league format. He won 4 Brazilian Cups, Libertadores, World Cup and a Brasileirão with Gremio where they finished in 6th in the league and won it through the playoffs. He took Portugal deep in every tournament. The point is his teams have always been better suited for knockout competition.
LOL I am glad he made it (2goals) after 2 struggling games! In fact I think Fred is a bit better in ball skills than Pipo ... (at least stronger and had better first touch) SADLY after producing the two greatest #9 in Romario and Ronaldo (Adriano was also very very good for short while), Brazil got into a big DIP that almost no one would deserve to wear #9
Bottom line is that Brazil still hasn't produced any young talent, however brief, at the #9 position since Adriano. And whatever heir apparents we've had - Pato and Damiao, can't seem to stay healthy. Even now at the 17-20 year old range, I struggle to think of a player who truly excites me at the position. Maybe only Ademilson, but he hasn't developed nearly as well as I had hoped since the the U17 tournament from 2 years ago. Fred is a decent player who is just about nearing the end of his peak years. He's had World Cup and European experience. Really, he's this World Cup's Fabiano. Nothing more than a band aid, and a guy we can rely on to score goals. He hasnt been as dominant as Fabiano was for Brazil, but I think that was mainly because Dunga's Brazil squad wasn't as offensively diverse. I'm pretty sure we'll find our #9, but probably only in 2018. For now, guys like Fred and Jo will have to do. Personally, I'd much rather us just drop the #9 all together and play to the strengths that our team has at present, which are wide players and crafty midfielders. It would probably be really useful should we end up playing Spain in the final (hopefully) where we can just clog the midfield like Spain is known to do. But, I'd never expect Scolari to do that.