Sacramento MLS Expansion Superthread

Discussion in 'Sacramento Republic FC' started by 30King, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    "It" must refer to despair.
     
  2. gatekeeper2

    gatekeeper2 Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Good one. It's on, baby!
     
  3. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    It's always on despair on the Doom Ledge.
     
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  4. fortunesfool223

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Dec 26, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I ain't believing crap until I hear the whistle at the first SRFC MLS game...………..the closing whistle. #ImwithKnave
     
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  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I imagine there's a little more space to spread out out on the Doom Ledge right now
     
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  6. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Told ya'll.

    Up to 30 already. That sure did not take long.

    When are these advanced presentations taking place? Is my guess at an official announcement by May 1 still possible?
     
  7. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Theyll wait til All Star half time, July 31st, thats how they roll. Just hope Sac is in 2021 with scum tree FC and STL is 2022. They feel like theyd need more time to get ready.
     
  8. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is Theatre of the Absurd.
     
  9. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I missed the part of the press release where the league said it anticipates announcing both that both slots by the all-star game. That's much more reasonable. Assuming they do it.
     
  10. 2in10

    2in10 Member

    Reno 1868 FC and Nevada Coyotes FC (UPSL)
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I saw somewhere that the presentations may be at the next committee meeting which I believe is in May.
     
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  11. 2in10

    2in10 Member

    Reno 1868 FC and Nevada Coyotes FC (UPSL)
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You missed it because it was never made. Insiders have supposedly stated that announcements are hoped to be made by the end of the year at the latest. I'll believe when I see it.
     
  12. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "With agreements currently in place with 27 total clubs, the league anticipates selecting the 28th and 29th expansion teams by the All-Star Game, presented by Target on July 31."

    Paragraph six...

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/04/18/mls-announces-plans-expand-30-teams
     
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  13. 2in10

    2in10 Member

    Reno 1868 FC and Nevada Coyotes FC (UPSL)
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks missed that. I would say that just about guarantees Sacramento and St Louis will have franchises as long as they give a competent presentation.
     
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  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. If Sac/STL come in and prove all the boxes are checked, it is a done deal.

    If not, then it opens up again.

    In your case, I believe the boxes are checked.
     
  15. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
     
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  16. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I can only shake my head ...
     
  17. fortunesfool223

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Dec 26, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was thinking more like “Theater of Pain.” But then I remembered that was actually a lot of fun, lol.
     
  18. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Current members of the Expansion Committee:

    Jonathan Kraft, New England
    Cliff Illig, Kansas City
    Bill McGuire, Minnesota
    Andrew Hauptman, Chicago
    Jay Sugarman, Philadelphia
    Joe Roth, Seattle
     
  19. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look at all those clubs that could be St. Louis and Detroit rivals! The fix is in!
     
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  20. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Always is.
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Define "Ponzi scheme". I'm pretty sure you're definition doesn't match mine.

    MLS owners aren't "getting rich off of expansion fees."

    They're selling a share of a multi-billion dollar business. That's a one-time payment that results in a dilution of shares for each of the pre-existing owners.

    If Microsoft releases 10 million shares of stock, you don't call that a Ponzi scheme. That's all this is.
     
  22. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the business is profitable, you're selling shares, if not, it's a ponzi scheme. Do we know for sure which MLS is?
     
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  23. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wrong.
    And no.

    We have had, and continue to have, interest from many different very intelligent, very wealthy individuals. They dont invest hundreds of millions and lots of energy into this without doing a deep dive into the business.

    Amazon lost billions, but kept selling shares before it eventually became profitable. Was Amazon a ponzi scheme? Same for almost every other big American company. If you are growing, and have massive opportunity for further growth, you get investors who are interested in taking that ride. Some of these companies eventually fail before they become profitable, but that doesn't make them a ponzi scheme, which implies a deliberate attempt to deceive.
    One thing new investors bring to the table to grow the business is their market and the broadcast revenue they bring. That's why it makes sense for the league to grow so fast, they want these teams on board when they ask for $300m or more for rights.
    MLS may fail, but plenty of people see the enormous growth opportunity left. New investors want in on it, existing investors want compensation for giving up their share of that opportunity. They may all fail together, but unless you can prove that MLS is misleading potential investors, then dont be one of the stupid mouth-breathers who yell Ponzi because they lack intelligence to know better.
     
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  24. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny, as I read the first sentence of your post Amazon came to mind. Is MLS comparable to Amazon is the next question.

    I'm inclined to agree with you, BTW. The growth is there and MLS will be alright. Labeling it a ponzi-scheme is a little over-the-top. I think the implication is more that this is a tactic to keep teams afloat by offsetting the supposed loses. However, with the closed business model, we don't really know what's true. I realize statements of profitability by the league that plenty of teams lose money are self-serving. But again, we don't really know.

    Investors poured $1B into Theranos, which failed, and have put in over $19B into Tesla, which is pretty iffy investment right now. I know these are very different situations, but just because investors are lined up isn't proof in-and-of-itself of a company's inevitable success.
     
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  25. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    200/27 = $7.4 million per team. So $15 million for two.

    Assuming MLS does not take a cut.

    That is a decent chunk of change. Certainly. But if you just paid a $150 million expansion fee, you are not making your money back via your share of expansion fees.
     

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