Russia 2018 Finalists: International Friendlies (R)

In this tournament the results are counted as friendlies. So basically the more games you play(regardless of result) the lower your ranking will go.

So the teams who go further in this meaningless tournamnet will go down further in their FIFA rank.

 

A panel of 12 year-olds could come up with a better ranking system than what FIFA uses.

 

ok hmmm will go down further ? how is that possible?

Meaningless? not for them in Africa?

 

Van City already explained it. The CHAN results are treated as friendlies. Friendlies don't help your ranking, they hurt it, i.e. you lose points each time you play one.

So if a team wins during the tournament and plays four or five matches instead of three, FIFA sees that as five friendlies and deducts more points from the team's FIFA ranking than if they had lost early on and played fewer matches.

It's a moronic system.

 

But wait, why are you guys worried about your current FIFA ranking?

The World Cup draw happened on December 2017, so you don't have to worry about seeding.

Official matches (continental tourneys, friendlies on FIFA dates) before a World Cup are meant to get ready, not for maintaining some fictional FIFA score.

Am I missing something?

 

Its more looking forward to future worldcups. Unless the rules change African teams who take part in these tournaments wont boost their chances od getting seeded in a higher pot.

For some reason CAF is the only confederation that has a domestic league only national competition.

 

Morocco with 5 wins and a draw will drop from 748 to 696 points in the FIFA ranking, while Nigeria with 4 wins, 1 draw and a loss will drop from 651 to 582.

As a result Morocco will drop 7 spots in the ranking (from 39 to 46), while Nigeria will drop 20 spots (from 51 to 71). As a result Nigeria will become the lowest ranked team going to the World Cup (below Saudi Arabia and Honduras).

So yeah... the effects on the ranking are pretty dramatic.

 

Just to reiterate:
Its actually better to lose three games than win the tournament with six wins. It hurts your ranking less.

The system is moronic and CAF is moronic for wanting these games to count in the FIFA ranking. Its hard to say, but very likely CAF teams would be 5-10 ranking slots higher if not for CHAN qualifiers and the championship itself.

 

what you wrote above is exactly why I believe my ranking system is better than both FIFA and ELo.

I don't count non FIFA international date friendlies at all.

And I also don't count "restricted" tournaments, and that's the way it should be.

ELo is also ridiculous. Just recently South Korea jumped up something like 10 spots from a "restricted" tournament victory over Japan. That is absolutely ridiculous.

 

are you sure its CAF who wants the tournament to count for FIFA rankings ?

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't lobby for a system that puts them at a disadvantage. I always thought that it was FIFA who wanted them to count. Either way this needs to be changed, its absolutely ridiculous.

 

You are forgetting that points from Jan-Feb 2018 will be worth 20% for your final ranking of November 2021, which should be the basis for your seeding in World Cup 2022.

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/procedure/men.html

Therefore, Morocco's drop of 52 points in Jan-Feb 2018, will be reset to a drop of 10.4 points by November 2021. Not too dramatic, but still a loss.

The problem here is that FIFA ranking calculation is rigged against several AFC/CAF/Concacaf federations, not against teams who play several games.

For each game played by UEFA/Conmebol, they automatically get 14%-15% more points than a game played by AFC/CAF/Concacaf/OFC.

This does not affect Concacaf teams like Mexico or USA, because they constantly pay to play against UEFA+Conmebol. That's how you inflate your ranking, despite being part of Concacaf.

Don't ask your AFC/CAF team to play less friendlies, ask FIFA why does it keep African and Asian countries on a perpetual 2nd-tier, while UEFA still controls 13 of 32 automatic World Cup spots (40.6%) ?

One obvious reason: For Rusia 2018, FIFA will pay a daily compensation of 8530 US dollars per club player.
https://resources.fifa.com/mm/docum...efitsofthe2018fifaworldcuprussia™_neutral.pdf

UEFA, with 40.6% of World Cup spots, will receive the most compensation payed by FIFA to professional clubs.

It's all about the Benjamins.

 

http://www.football-rankings.info/2011/02/fifa-ranking-chan-matches-to-be.html

You can blame Hayatou. Maybe CAF looked at it as a way to add importance to CHAN? Anyway it sounds like CAF shot themselves in the foot.

England, as the most voiceful critics, have put pressure on FIFA to overhaul their rankings. We don't know yet how the Nations League will be treated but possibly such an overhaul will be needed to take NL games into account. Maybe this problem will be remedied once the overhaul is completed. If it's a success you can thank the members that forced FIFA to rethink their rankings. Sure a couple of NTs exploited the flaws of a ranking that should never have been so vulnerable. However the bulk of NTs weren't actively gaming the rankings and in the media teams that did were named and shamed.

The thing is UEFA could systematically game FIFA's rankings. For example, to avoid having to play low-ranked teams in the European qualifiers (for the WC or the ECQs) UEFA could have introduced preliminary rounds like in so many other confeds. Another confed. level tournament can also boost the rankings of UEFA teams. Like Conmebol maybe UEFA should have gone with a EURO Centenario. Peru nearly landed a top-seed for Russia thanks to their inflated ranking (and still there are better teams than Peru that ended up in a lower pot). In case UEFA really wanted to game FIFA's flawed rankings it's leaving quite a few stones unturned.

PS we seem to have lucked out drawing Tunisia in our WC group as they declined to take part in CHAN. Teams that did take part in CHAN will however harm the rankings of the teams that they'll face at the WC (and help CAF to take some extra points). Let's see what happens with the overhaul.

 

How is Peru's rank #11 "inflated"? It had 10 official games in 2017, without a loss (8 qualifiers). That is one way to get a top rank: do not lose, not even your friendlies.
Despite that, you have Chile at #10: 12 official games in 2017, with 5 losses. Now, that's inflated.

What we have is too many European countries at the World Cup. African and Asian federations squabble for scraps like rankings, while UEFA gets most of the money payed out by FIFA.

 

Try to hang in there until 2026.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_América_Centenario

How much revenue would a WC generate without Uefa teams? In case you exclude Europeans how much money would be paid out then? TBF what's best for football is of little concern to Fifa. Uefa members should ask themselves why not leave such a corrupt organization that can't be trusted to deliver a clean WC (besides Fifa isn't exactly popular among the peoples of Europe).

Uefa loses money because of the WC. Instead of its members taking part in a WC Uefa could organize their own tournaments during those summers and really add to its coffers. This would bankrupt Fifa. The lion's share of (WC) revenue is generated in European media markets and redistributed to all corners of the world, not the other way round. In the Champions League Uefa takes the proportional value of each television market into account. If you'd apply the same principle to the WC European teams would bring home a lot more. Europeans are a massive contributor during WCs and even outside of the WC are very charitable and generous.

PS most of the money that Fifa pays out doesn't end up in the pockets of FAs but goes to the players (some FAs even lose money during WC years). Those players often don't need that money (because in many cases it's peanuts compared to what their clubs pay them, that little bit of extra income hardly has any impact). If FAs like to hold onto the money they'll have to ask their own players.

 

Right, a South American tournament edition created outside of its regular 4-year cycle, and played on North American soil. Good way to fill rankings and coffers of Conmebol+Concacaf FAs.
You missed the question: why do you say Peru's rank #11 is inflated?

No idea, I cannot measure hypothetical financial scenarios. If UEFA is so sad to play the WC, perhaps it should abandon the WC. Somehow, it has not done so. WC club compensation is too good for UEFA to turn it down. FIFA might be unpopular with European folks, but it sure is not with European clubs.

Could you please post any sources about financial loss in UEFA, due to playing the WC?
Why is it that the Euro Championship does not generate as much sponsorship money as the WC?

See? FIFA had a similar euro-centric view back in the 1960s.
FIFA told both African and Asian confederations that they should fight for the same miserable WC spot.

Supposedly, football outside Europe did not warrant separate spots for both Africa and Asia. UEFA had 9 spots, plus host for the 1966 WC.

The African confederation went ahead and boycotted the 1966 WC. FIFA further messed up, trying to qualify South Africa via the Oceania confederation. The African confederation had banned South Africa, in 1958, for racial discrimination against black athletes.

Let us remember who was the top goal scorer in 1966 WC: Mozambique-born Eusebio, developed by an African club until age 18, before moving to Portuguese club Benfica.
Yet, FIFA had the balls to say the African continent deserved half a WC ticket.

I refer to WC club compensation, which FIFA pays to clubs for using their players at the WC.
https://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/91/84/59/circularno.1600-participationofclubsinthebenefitsofthe2018fifaworldcuprussia™_neutral.pdf
If UEFA loses WC spots, then less FIFA club compensation money will go to European clubs.

 

Award-winning satire.

PS club compensation, oh deary me.

 

Updated international friendlies for Rusia 2018 participants:

Group C
Peru:
v. Croatia - March 23
v. Iceland - March 26
v. Scotland - May 29th
v. Saudi Arabia - June 3rd
v. Sweden - June 8th

https://depor.com/futbol-peruano/se...mistosos-confirmados-mundial-rusia-2018-62805
http://www.the-afc.com/news/afcsect...fifa-world-cup-2018-preparations-against-iraq

Group H
Japan:
vs Switzerland, June 8.
vs Paraguay, June 12.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/90min...off-in-world-cup-friendly-20180111-story.html
http://d10.paraguay.com/el-primer-amistoso-confirmado-paraguay-2018-n643988

 

Mexico is going to play Croatia in Irving , Texas March 27th.

That match will be entertaining around here with the way fans were bickering in the official draw thread.

 

Senegal to play play Bosnia and Luxembourg ahead of World Cup
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43018038

 

Croatia and Brazil will play at Anfield on June 3rd.