Rich people

That was pretty funny. I liked the "this is what the job is about now" list in particular.

 

I vote for "2."

 

This trend ain't changing. Most young Americans aren't trained to make good wages in a global environment, and there's no will among the politicians (or voters) to have government policies that address this situation. So we will laissez faire along to greater income disparity -- a process that will be assisted by voters' willingness to cut benefits for shiftless blacks (i.e, the poor) and to endorse programs that benefit job creators (i.e., the rich).

 

My plan is to win $640M tonight with Megamillions and become part of the 1%

Sorry, but I won't be able to hang around on the internets with you smelly losers anymore.

Rich peeps don't do that.

Does that make me bad?

 

I was looking for the OWS thread, but I gave up so I post here.

The ********ing 1% wasting their money when they should be giving it to the government.

http://www.forbes.com/special-repor...00%2Bcover%2Blaunch&partner=yahoo#tl-4f041c79

 

I thought this thread got bumped because someone saw Chris Matthews open "Hardball" by singing "If I Were a Rich Man" to mock Romney.

But really, Matthews makes $5M a year from MSNBC, so he actually is a Rich Man. Come to think of it, Obama is a very wealthy man too. So all of this posturing about rich people is complete horseshit unless Obama is going to give all of his shekels back to the treasury.

Since he is all for "redistribution."

 

No one begrudges rich people...especially the ones that give in a major way.

It's just that people hate rich assholes like Mitt Romney. He would be an asshole at any income level. The fact that he's decided to use his privilege to enter our politics in such a stunningly incompetent manner with such overt disdain for ordinary people makes him a rich asshole.

Tax rates are a separate question of policy. A return to reasonable rates on the upper income taxpayers is sound policy with a proven history of good results for the entire economy with minimal downside risk. It's not personal.

"Redistribution" is a canard, since most of this extra revenue is going to have to go to deficit reduction. But if you think we don't need to invest in improved national infrastructure and better education for lower income people, just because it sounds like "redistribution," you're a complete moron and don't understand the world.

 

The word "redistribution" and similar words like "socialist", "communist", "Marxist", etc, has become the conservative equivalent of the word "racist".

Whenever you don't want to pursue an argument on its own merits you throw these terms around to end the discussion, whether they apply or not, so that the other person is now forced to disassociate himself with these negative connotations, and you are spared from arguing on the issues itself.

I have seen far too many rational logical debates get derailed when someone pulls off the "OMG!!!! you must be communist!!!!!! marxists!!!! nazi!!!!!! soon you'll be calling for gas chambers!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! robble robble robble" routine.

 

Why is Romney a butthole? Has he not used his wealth to create a lot of jobs? He has been way more charitable than the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd. I don't understand the growing jealousy and hatred of the wealthy. I've worked for 5 guys/gals and all 5 gave lots back to employees and the community. That's what most of the welathy business owners do. There are exceptions to every group of people, but I doubt that Romney is one of them. We saw a convention full of people testifying to the generosity of the Romneys in both time, love and money.
And any redistribution of wealth, as it relates to stealing money from one group of people to give it to another group is evil in its purest form.

 

A) because he said that 47% of americans will never learn responsibility or care for their lives.
B) it's not stealing, it's taxing and spending. It's what functioning governments do. Don't like it? Move to Somalia. Or Elect mitt Romney and watch our country become Somalia.

I don't understand how people don't get this. If you just let poor people be desperately poor, without offering education, services and food and healthcare...what do you think happens?

They get sick, hungry, and desperate. Violence and disease grow....and you become Somalia. Or you erect a police state to stave off the inevitable revolution....

 

EVERY bill which directs expenditure is 'redistributive' by definition. Every supply side based bill redistributes wealth to upper incomes and corporations. Dont pretend otherwise.

 

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/revolt-of-the-rich/

 

This is this thread and Romney in a nutshell. They see any suggestion that people lose out as "resentment" and "envy", and they are resentful of this perceived resentment:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/09/mitt-romney-mother-jones-video.html

 

Must read. This article impales the class which doesnt realize that the gates can be locked from either side.

 

He is? President Obama stated that his tax goal is redistribution?

 

I have been extremely tempted lately to lock the gate of one of my asshole rich neighbors who has ugly-fenced off a formerly beautiful piece of land I have no intention of making it a cheap lock or of leaving a key. I may even squeeze a little super glue in the top hinge of the gate for extra measure
But so far, I have resisted this urge.

 

Stop right there.

People are annoyed and frustrated at how the Romney 1% crowd is behaving -- at that group's denial of the social contract, at its pretense that multi millionaires earned their money solely on merit, without the assistance of family advantages, luck, and/or social structures, and its insistence on getting even more even as others fall behind.

It's not hatred. If it were hatred, people would be getting shot and their houses would be burned.

It's not jealousy. The jealousy argument is the same as saying you hate me because I'm beautiful. It's ewww on so many levels. Don't say that anymore.

Annoyed, frustrated, ticked off, you could use those terms accurately.

 

Given that taxes legislated by elected representatives don't constitute "stealing", all that means is that you view stealing as "evil in its purest form". I personally associate pure evil with murder or pedophilia, but I can somewhat understand how you'd view theft as evil.

 

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/revolt-of-the-rich/

Q-bert posted it. You need to read it. Or more accurately, find someone to read it to you. And note the source.

This raises disturbing questions for those who call themselves conservatives. Almost all conservatives who care to vote congregate in the Republican Party. But Republican ideology celebrates outsourcing, globalization, and takeovers as the glorious fruits of capitalism’s “creative destruction.” As a former Republican congressional staff member, I saw for myself how GOP proponents of globalized vulture capitalism, such as Grover Norquist, Dick Armey, Phil Gramm, and Lawrence Kudlow, extolled the offshoring and financialization process as an unalloyed benefit. They were quick to denounce as socialism any attempt to mitigate its impact on society. Yet their ideology is nothing more than an upside-down utopianism, an absolutist twin of Marxism. If millions of people’s interests get damaged in the process of implementing their ideology, it is a necessary outcome of scientific laws of economics that must never be tampered with, just as Lenin believed that his version of materialist laws were final and inexorable.

If a morally acceptable American conservatism is ever to extricate itself from a pseudo-scientific inverted Marxist economic theory, it must grasp that order, tradition, and stability are not coterminous with an uncritical worship of the Almighty Dollar, nor with obeisance to the demands of the wealthy. Conservatives need to think about the world they want: do they really desire a social Darwinist dystopia?​

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OK I just saw today's news, Obama believed in redistribution in 1998. Now he doesn't -- or at least, he won't admit to it.

Don't think this card will work on anybody outside the GOP core, but sure go ahead and play it, give it a shot.