Reyna on US Soccer

Is Osorio a good manager for Mexico?

 

You don't know wtf you're posting about.

 

Look, if Reyna - or anyone else on here - doesn’t have an advanced degree in economics, they don’t have the credentials to speak with authority on this topic. In Sunil we trust.

 

Any idiot can look up the rosters. Do it yourself.

 

I tend to lean towards your side of the argument.

USA vs Algeria in 2010.

Howard: Briefly in MLS, mostly in England at Man U/Everton
Chero: Never played in MLS
Demerit: Bolted to England, climbed the ranks, was at Watford
Boca: Briefly in MLS, then on to Fulham, St Etienne, Rennes, etc.
Bornstein: MLS to that point, Liga MX ever since
Bradley: A year in MLS, then onto Ered, Bund, EPL and Serie A
Edu: A year in MLS, then bulk of prime at Rangers
Donovan: Leverkusen to mostly MLS, but a few stints in Europe by 2010
Herc: Mostly MLS to that point, mostly Liga MX after
Dempsey: Left MLS after a couple years

Looking at this, then others on or would have been on that roster like Davies(Hammarby/Sochaux), Jozy(Villarreal/Hull/AZ), Holden(Bolton), Spector(Man U/WestHam/etc), Gooch(Standard Liege among others), Clark(Frankfurt), Benny(HSV/Derby/Aarhus), Torres(Pachuca), Goodson(IK Start/Brondby), Findley(Nottingham), every one of them had experience abroad or was about to.

The stagnation of movement in our player pool recently is shocking. That seems a real problem.

There wasn't a single MLS lifer on our 2010 squad, and that's without any foreign raised players as we have now like Fabian/Jones/Brooks. I included Davies because he'd have been on it if not for the crash.

The complacency of our recent generation is eye opening.

Against T&T we had, Besler, Acosta, Nagbe, Rimando, Dax, Zusi and Wondo, seven players who dressed who've never played a club game outside MLS. Our players simply aren't spreading their wings enough. In my eyes at least. Seems to me the path of different clubs in different leagues is of benefit.

 

I'm very inclined to agree. Unlike the vast majority of those working within US soccer Kreis accomplished quite a bit in a very shot time as a coach. On the other hand, may possibly have an attitude, but I seem to recall him going to Europe to spend quite a bit of time attending coaching sessions etc. Also must have been working on his coaching licenses as a player to pick up a player So it certainly seems like he was open to learning.

 

Where exactly did Reyna "and Klinsmann" ever speak about anything together?

I was at one point suspect that Reyna was another part of the limited ability YNT group that needs to be send down the drain. Given that he seems to have moved to a job in the club side combined with his comments and comments about him from some I respect, it appears I maybe misguided guilt by association on my part. He may have been biding playing the so he didn't become another Hugo Perez.

 

[QUOTE="jond, post: 35992705, member: 179520"
Against T&T we had, Besler, Acosta, Nagbe, Rimando, Dax, Zusi and Wondo, seven players who dressed who've never played a club game outside MLS. Our players simply aren't spreading their wings enough. In my eyes at least. Seems to me the path of different clubs in different leagues is of benefit.[/QUOTE]

And if we didn't someone like the 13th - 22th ranked MLS keeper depending on whether you prefer Whoscored to Audi, the USA probably still would have got out of T&T with a point.

BTW - the group with very little MLS experience below didn't exactly shine in Costa Rica under our wonderful Euro coach did they?
1-Brad Guzan; 21-Timmy Chandler, 3-Omar Gonzalez, 6-John Brooks, 5-Matt Besler; 23-Fabian Johnson (19-Graham Zusi, 77), 4-Michael Bradley (capt.), 13-Jermaine Jones (16-Sacha Kljestan, 74), 10-Christian Pulisic (11-Lynden Gooch, 70); 17-Jozy Altidore, 7-Bobby Wood.

 

Can't believe there's actually people defending MLS coaching. Un-Be-Lievable.

Reyna's point was made. The arrogance of people in and around MLS is stunning.

 

Right. I think he's talking about his time as Youth Technical Director, going up against the predominant youth coaching culture and making some headway, but only some. Reyna caught a whole lot of pushback in those days from a lot of guys who had their fiefdoms down and who were very satisfied that they knew everything.

 

Not sure its complacency. Its value. Foreign teams don't mind our players, but MLS values them (as they try to grow the league) at a price that simply, Euro teams can buy the same player elsewhere cheaper.

Its not that our players aren't good, its their not worth the effort since they are a dime a dozen. Most of that '10 roster where no better/no worse than the current roster.

 

http://www.espnfc.com/video/espn-fc...t-discussion-on-coaching-in-the-united-states

 

Good clip - agree with Herc - coaching is sup par and we don't want to admit it.

 

[1] So played in MLS: Dempsey, Zardes, Bradley, Bedoya, Jones, Cameron, Yedlin, Guzan. Gee, 11-3=8. [Bsky 2-2=0.]
[2] So played in MLS when career not in decline- Dempsey, Zardes, Bradley, Cameron, Yedlin, Guzan [Was Bedoya in decline when he joined MLS at age 29? Possibly that's what his body was doing to him... although for many players that's still in their prime. But, heck, Bsky, I'll let you have that Joker's wild].
[3] "Left MLS after a couple [2-4 actually] of years".. in short, they were developed in MLS to the point that they were recognized by a variety of the world's top leagues. They were in their earliesh 20's to later 20's then. These were not teenagers going on to be developed by the academies of foreign clubs. They were homegrown players. And all found MLS as a successful conduit for playing at the highest levels. Are you sure, really sure, Bsky, "Reyna and Klinsmann were talking about this kind of stuff"?
[4] Yes, Zardes has been an MLS Lifer. Although in 2016 he was barely older than, say, Dempsey when he last played in MLS. And significantly younger than was Cameron when he last played in MLS. It's hard to call him a "lifer" at that point.

Now let's continue this fine exercise with 2013 [Jurgen's one and only, ever forever, cup win as a manager.....Danke Landon], 2014, 2015, the Hex.. and then, just for fun, let's look at those teams that beat up on Jurgen's teams in 2015 and the Hex.... and ask how many of the players were from MLS. Because it's pretty damn inconvenient to the "Reyna- JK" thesis "that our guys playing in MLS is why we are now losing to Concacaf teams" when the Concacaf teams besting us are heavy with MLS players.

Remember, Bsky 22, the sad and unalterable record of history. Jurgen brought us deep and damaging failure...and he did so using the fewest possible MLS and homegrown players he could manage. Your's is the God that Failed.

 

This was a discussion I had with a buddy recently...I think MLS is just in a phase right now that is not helping our NT players. The league still clearly lags behind better European leagues, but there is certainly enough money in MLS where they can afford large salaries for guys like Jozy and Bradley, salaries European clubs won't pay.

For the NT'ers like Jozy/Bradley/Bedoya, why would they not want to get paid more?

For the clubs in MLS, it's probably a draw of some sort for their clubs.

Euro teams, as this comment mentions, can get the same, or better, players for cheaper.

The issue is these NTers aren't getting pushed like they have in the past, where MLS didn't exist, or couldn't compete with Euro wages.

The only thing that can fix it is if MLS keeps growing, and the depth and competition on these rosters forces the NTers to push themselves in similar ways to what they would see in Europe. Right now, that's not the case, and I'd argue (along with Bruce's awful mgmt) that this was the biggest reason for this team's failure to make the WC. Paid a ton, not working too hard, no sense of urgency, no leadership, loads of complacency.

Not that tough to see what happened here!

 

so much to read and digest. and if you take it to another fantasy step, how many of our future nt's will have any mls lifer's? it seems the amount of youngsters making noise in Europe, and I don't have to list them, is continuing to expand. there are a few who will be considered for the nt who began in mls, miazgz..., but the bulk will be products of euro finishing school, if you will. there is no question that these guys will push our program. if our program does not address the lack of youth development, our mls will stagnate and be a home for over the hill pros from concacaf and so on. not qualifying is more than a wake up call. playing so many over cooked pros is vastly shortsighted. some of them should know when it's time. enough, wasting valuable drinking time.

 

Wasn't Reyna the US Youth Technical director before he went to NYCFC? What did he do in that position to improve the things he is now talking about?

 

The arrogance comes from England.

I have never met more arrogant people, not just for soccer.

I’m sorry but I can probably name you 2 or 3 English players on top of my head, they have never been good at soccer. Won a world title a long time ago.

The arrogance needs to change, I don’t care about England but us Americans, we have a lot to learn and change, we don’t have time for arrogance, this hurting our sport big time.

 

Maybe the things he's now talking about are why he left.