Revs Off Season talk - the quest to rebuild begins!

The article in the other thread said this:

 

It seems like Diego has been around forever, but I didn't realize until after he scored that he was the youngest player to reach 50 MLS goals.

Why is it that we say this about pretty much every player here who has been good, but has the potential to be great, that we'd love to have him stay, but we know he will never reach his full potential playing here.

 

Remind me who that was?

 

Mrs. Burns.

 

Oh man! I can't sleep due to excitement about the new training facility.

 

I hope they train on how to win games....

 

I’m hoping they have an electroshock therapy room for training the mental mistakes out of our defenders.

 

I’m hoping they get new defenders that don’t make mental mistakes. That along with a bunch of midfielders and forwards

 

Somewhere in the ballpark of 7 players who are better than the ones already on the team should do the trick

 

If you are not always on the lookout for players who are better than the ones you've got, then you are not doing your job. I get the sense* that the Revs FO figures they have a "pretty good" core of players and they don't want to "disrupt the chemistry" so, why keep turning over the roster? Of course, the better teams (like anyone who played yesterday) would laugh at the mere suggestion. Do you think the Patriots think this way?

* I get the sense, in the same way as in the Sopranos, when Tony and Carmella are with the therapist, Dr. Melfi, for marriage counseling. They are arguing and sniping back and forth, and Dr. Melfi says, "I may be wrong, but I get the sense that both of you might possibly have some anger issues."
And then Tony says, "Yeah? How'd you figure that out? You musta finished in the top a your fu**in' class!"

Yeah, that pretty much describes how I get the sense.

 

Given the team's style this past year, anyone else feel like we're going to be reloading with some Ivan McKinley/Joe Franchino/Rusty Pierce types this off-season?

 

I agree. I was posting it as a condemnation, as well as an expectation (there's no good emoji for that, but probably should have included )

 

Yeah, that was a waste.

 

No.

I actually think the best indicator of what we'll bring in is what we brought in last year, more or less. A lot of people look at the historical record of Burns' acquistions, but I think things were much different once Friedel was hired. The main difference is that he brought in quite a few new players and that is something Burns was never able to do.

I think Friedel will look for more Caicedos and Penillas (and Zahibos and Dielnas ... and even some Somis). Like last year, some will work out and some won't.

I also think they'll be bringing in at least one premier-level player. Friedel's been talking about that since he was hired. It may not happen, but I think there's a good chance it will.

 

Define "good chance".

In all his years here, when has Burns ever been able to land a premier-level player?

And don't say Jones, because Burns had nothing to do with that. Chicago did all the work, Kraft stepped in, and the Revs won a coin toss.

 

I get what Mr Kupp is saying--in the Burns era we have never signed more than 2 new players, and you can certainly debate if they were "significant." The 2017-18 off-season brought in quite a few more, but at the end of the day, only 2 of them are real keepers. Bringing in a bunch of mediocre guys won't cut it.

Now it isn't realistic to think that every signing is going to be another Penilla, but I did have higher hopes for a lot of the guys they brought in. If it takes 6 signings to get 2 good players, we need to sign at least a dozen, but that isn't going to happen. I'm not yet ready to cast Friedel off as a fraud, but unless he brings in at least 2 more Penilla-level players, my patience will disappear faster than a plate of hot dogs in front of Tony Meola.

 

First. Everyone who has read one or more comments/tweets/articles mentioning other teams or agents commenting that Burns is a pain to deal with raise your hand. Now everyone who has read the same for Nicol or Heaps? Hmmmm. Interesting count... Friedel may have an important, even stronger than previous coaches, role in signings but Burns has to seal the deal.

Second, go here:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/new...26/plus/0?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

Play around with the seasons, look at the serious signings vs. drafts and loans out to USL sides. Then ask yourself. Did BF _really_ do that much food last “off season”? I’m not impressed.

First, he left a lot of salary rotting, some of it his picks. 2nd, he (apparently not Mike Burns ) took for freaking ever to sign a bunch of them. So, calling his signings “offseason” is generous at best. In the end he cut or left to rot just about all of them but 2. I’m not generally against the idea of trying guys out, lacking other details only the REVs can generate, I’d say it sure beats empty roster spots. But, I don’t think his approach was effective. The team didn’t get better, particularly with the later signings.

 

My guess is better than 50/50, but that's worth the paper it's printed on.

And, you didn't ask me to define premier player . I'd just say that, at this point, he should be the best player on the squad, at a minimum. Not really talking about Neymar or the like.

My point was that it doesn't make sense to compare this offseason to Burns' history. Last year was Friedel's first and the number of acquisitions, at least, was better than anything Burns ever did IIRC. So, this offseason is more likely to resemble last year than any of the previous years IMO.

We don't actually know what the extent of Burns involvement would be or needs to be.

If Friedel and some other team/agent/player have a high degree of mutual interest, but they don't want to deal with Burns, I think it's pretty likely they could find a way to get it done.