Revolution Stadium Groundbreaking "12-24 months" Part XV

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  1. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and 4 years from now, Miami will be playing in their new stadium, and the Revs still will not have broken ground...
     
  2. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I give that a 50/50. ;)
     
  3. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    I'll take that bet -- Miami will be in their stadium before we are. Given the ambition ownership has shown for the product on the field, I can't see them moving "quickly" on a new stadium. They seem to have spent a lot of money considering the idea, so I'll give them that.
     
  4. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is how I imagine things went down at the last owner's meeting:

    Mas: So, Bob, how are things coming on that new stadium?
    Kraft (sarcastically): Oh, great, we'll be breaking ground on a new stadium next to the Boston Garden any day now...
    Mas (not picking up on the sarcasm): Oh, good to know...
     
  5. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Stating that another team/city should have a soccer stadium before the Revs isn't a bet, it's just a recognition of reality. No city or town is going to shower Kraft with cash, so Kraft is never going to build a stadium. Next time the Revs get a new home is when the Patriots get a new home.
     
  6. Doublecard

    Doublecard Member

    Oct 31, 2006
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Revs breaking ground like...
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
  8. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forget facilities. In terms of anything. Will the Revs ever try and be that team that actually blows everyone away with something they do? Under Bob Kraft, I just don't see it.
     
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  9. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Lazy to go back - but has Jonathan said that the field will be grass?
     
  10. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I don't know the answer, but I see no reason why the fictional field couldn't be covered by fictional grass.
     
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  11. MrSangster

    MrSangster Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Duxbury,MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A little bird told me....

    It has to be grass. The MLS hates that the Revs play on turf and in a football stadium. Hence the reason why the Revs are not on many national telecasts.

    There will not be any groundbreaking on a stadium near boston garden...now or in the near future (if ever)
     
  12. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, Seattle and Atlanta will be breaking ground on their new grass fields any day now?
     
  13. Revs In First :)

    Aug 15, 2001
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When you average crowds of 40,000 plus, the league probably takes a different view than when you average under 20,000.
     
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  14. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
    And whut about Portland and Vang-couver? A cow can't eat their playing surfaces either
     
  15. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    but the Krafts will be working hard on the issue.
     
  16. REV IT UP

    REV IT UP Member

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jul 12, 2004
    San Francisco
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Revs signed some bigger name players, increased marketing, and simply started winning more, would that lead to 40k average attendance? Let say it does lead to 40k people in Gillette in the middle of the summer, would we still be complaining about not having a downtown stadium?

    What exactly is the end goal of a new stadium? If it's just increased attendance, then I think it's easier to take the millions you would have spent on a stadium and just sign players and make a winning team that will draw more people to the stadium you already own.
     
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  17. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
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  18. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Good questions.

    The problem with that plan is the cold and bad weather games. Since there's no danger of sellouts at Gillette (even with 40K), people can wait and see whether it is going to be too cold, too wet or too hot before buying tickets. That makes attendance swings more likely and that makes it harder to run the stadium.
     
  19. Revs In First :)

    Aug 15, 2001
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Over 20,000 average crowd size, located in the city (I was so jealous when I went to Portland and took the rail right past the stadium). Portland only holds, what, 22,000? Vancouver is oversized, but they can "downsize" it with its "secondary roof". The league would put up with turf in New England if the stadium was smaller/crowds were significantly bigger/stadium was flexible in its setup.
    I've asked this question and made this point many times throughout the many years of this never-ending thread. Would/could they get to a higher average at Gillette if they signed better players, got public transportation to the stadium, better marketing, and so on and so on and so on.

    The answer is we don't know because they've never done it. The closest they've come was when they brought in Jones and went on that post-World Cup run and there was a noticeable bump. I'd love to see what would happen if they had international stud A and US national team stud B on the team, and ran the train/buses/zeppelins to all their home games, and spent a zillion on marketing. Would their average crowd size go up significantly, and therefore effectively negate the need for a smaller urban venue and make it slightly less annoying to not have a grass pitch? Since they haven't tried it, and likely will never try it, we can only speculate about a myth. Just like unicorn stadium.
     
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  20. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    I take it you weren't at the last game where there were over 30,000 there?
     
  21. tsb11

    tsb11 Member

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    Subtract 15k for the zlatan effect, that gives you the real number
     
  22. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
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  23. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Kind of overstated. The last couple of years the Revs have averaged around 20K, without any real special events (like the int'l double-headers of yesteryears).

    The Galaxy game was the last home game for a month, they are always a big draw and weather in July is generally great, so all those things combined with the 'Zlatan' effect to make it a really big crowd.
     
  24. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you are understating it. The Galaxy always draw big crowds in Foxboro, going back to the regular-season-record Beckham game.

    There were 36K at this one. Only one week earlier, in perfect weather, the Seattle game drew only 16K. Zlatan/Galaxy was a much bigger factor in the 20K increase than anything you mentioned.
     
  25. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    I know I have written this before somewhere, but the Revs just seem to have the absolute worst luck with weather on game days, especially in the early parts of the season.
     

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