Real recognize real (or sometimes not!) : the Jesse Lingard thread

For a squad player who adds something sure, maybe someone at Park's level or Valencia's level.

 

I don't him as a starter myself, but I think he adds as much as a Park did for us.

 

Park was starring for PSV in CL at his age. He adds as much as Park ? In what universe, he disappears majority of the game.

 

That he is not good enough to be a squad player, scoring 3-4 goals a season is not good return for a squad winger/am. Do not know what is hard to grasp.

This is Ashley Young all over again.

 

Park would get start in teams that would challenge Europe. Had Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney for scorers, his job was not to score goals.
I am just pointing out everyone keeps saying he score goals, evidence shows he is not specially for an attacking subsitute, if he playing opposite of Ronaldo and doing Park things nobody would have said anything but he has no understanding of the game compared to Park, not the same work rate, no ability to make the midfield compact, no tactical awareness.
What we see is Lingard disappearing in the game, not touching the ball for ages.

No, we need to get a starting winger to create and score goals at first and backups who can do the same maybe not at the same level.

 

His so-called movement is naievity and a complete lack of tactical awareness or disciple as he ball chases. That might be fine at a midtable club who relies on him to make a difference but he is a secondary, at best, option here and needs to perform his defined role to enable our better players to perform. Lingard abandoning his flank compromises the team and congests the central areas where superior players like Pogba need space to operate.

 

I really don't understand the objections to Lingard. He's a squad man, not a player we will ever rely upon to send us back to a CL final. And as a squad man he fills in nicely, scoring goals occasionally and other occasions will create some decent chances for other players.

Perhaps someone will correct me (not in the mood right now to check it out online first) but he recently delivered a spot perfect cross to Ibrahimovic for the score. Pretty good work for a squad man.

Here's the proverbial bottom line: We have fantastic attacking tools available to us in Ibra, Miki, Martial and Rasford. We have a well-above-average cover man in Mata and a broken-down-but-at-times-still-useful Rooney. We have another old attacking warhorse in Young. (We would do well to ship off Rooney, but that's another thread for another day.) We're likely -- fingers crossed! -- going to bring in Greizmann this summer. We can't possibly believe that United are going to bring a world class attacking player who's better than Lingard, who's done everything asked of him by the club. I agree with those who argue that he's never going to be world class but that misses the point. You can't have world class players as subs on United's bench. Real and Barcelona, sure, United, no chance.

If I'm right that we're going to bring in Greizmann -- and there's no reason to believe that I am right about AG in particular but there is every reason to believe that Jose will bring in a very high quality attacking player this summer -- there's no threat that Lingard will muscle out Greizmann, Ibra, Martial, Miki and Rashford for minutes they much more richly deserve. And if somehow Lingard leaps into world class territory and muscles out any of those players, that's a problem I wouldn't mind us having to deal with at all.

 

Keep talking shit Syed, he will probably score a hatty against pool.

 

That will double his goal output over this season and more than 50% of his goal output last season, keep dreaming.

 

Lingard is the English Thomas Mueller.

 

Squaddie who cost no fee and chips in with a handful of goals and is technical and flexible and happy to remain a squaddie. What a terrible thing.

 

******** you guys. Park was much more than y'all giving him credit for. Lingard ain't there.

 

Agreed. At least Park sold shirts.

 

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Aspects of his game frustrate me, but his energy and ability to score important goals in big games is an asset for a squadie. As is the fact that he is happy to be a squadie and a good example that youth players can make the first team squad.

ALL squad players here attract criticism of not being good enough for the first 11 which misses the point of the role of tactical subs, specialists, role players, utility players ("squadies").

 

This.

At some point his ambition will pull him away from United, but he's a solid squad man for United right now.

 

Comparing Lingard to Park is foolish right now. Park did alot more than Lingard has...yet. Even so, johno already explained it - he's English, he's cheap, he contributes when he's called upon, and is good enough as a squaddie. If he were to end up as good as Park, then we'd be lucky. But he is fine in his role at this time.

 

Positive, incisive movement at speed kills.