Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

It’s time to put all the men in rice https://t.co/9Yq1XI29Nz

— Rebecca Pierce (@aptly_engineerd) May 12, 2018

I'm no longer easily shocked when it comes to this kind of stuff, but this stat did leave me speechless.

This is also why you should be very dubious of any university which claims to have no instances of rape. It's virtually impossible for that to be true and it only means they don't have the proper tools in place to make sure that female students can safely report the crime.

 

It should. According to the article, it comes from a survey of 86 people. How did that get published?

 

Story about a top college pitcher at Otegon State, Luke Heimlich. He admitted at age 16 that he sexually abused his niece when she was aged 4 thru 6. The writer breaks it down as two Lukes. The one who accepted his guilty plea and the other Luke who's vague, insists he's innocent & got "bad advice" in pleading guilty. Many MLB teams are not even scouting him because they think the abuse plea makes him toxic even though he's a top talent. It was only widely known because an Oregonian sports reporter did a simple background check before running a story on Heimlich. Intersection of child sexual abuse, the juvenile justice system & big-time college athletics and how they handle these situations.

The first thing to understand about a baseball game involving Luke Heimlich—the Oregon State pitcher who in 2012 pleaded guilty to one felony charge of molesting, at 15, his six-year-old niece, who nevertheless claims innocence, who this season leads the nation in wins—is just how normal it can feel. Nestled mid-campus in Corvallis, Goss Stadium hews to game-day rituals seen forever in ballparks big or small, coast to coast: No matter the paycheck or persona or police record, each player comes packaged the same old way. It is one of the sport's charms...

...The first Luke will make that difficult. The second youngest of eight children, Heimlich grew up in the Tacoma suburb of Puyallup. His father, a construction manager, is an ordained pastor, and his mother is a social worker who home-schooled all the kids in a rambling four-bedroom, 7,000-square-foot house on the outskirts of town. According to the probable cause document, filed in Pierce County Juvenile Court on March 29, 2012, it was there, when Luke's parents were looking after their granddaughter while the girl's parents worked, that the girl was left alone with Luke.

According to the document, which alleged that Heimlich committed two counts of "child molestation in the first degree," the girl told investigators that Heimlich brought her to the floor in the middle of his bedroom, "pulled down her underwear and with his hand he touched her private part... . She said that she told him to stop, but he wouldn't." The girl also said that "Uncle Luke" ...  "touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom. She said that it hurt her... . She said that the first time the respondent touched her she was four years old and that she was six years old the last time he did this."

Three months after the girl's first mention of illicit contact, in the fall of 2009, her mother and father, one of Luke's brothers, finalized their divorce after seven years of marriage. The mother insists that a custody dispute had no bearing on the accusations, saying that she never raised concerns about Luke and her daughter in custody proceedings. Luke's brother has maintained majority custody ever since. He was the one who, after questioning his daughter in 2011, initiated what would become legal action against Luke by taking her to a Child Advocacy Center, where he shared her accounts and allowed a forensic interview. He and Luke have barely spoken since. Asked if such silence indicates that his brother doesn't believe him, Luke said, "I don't know."

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state

 

Plus, it's a tricky thing to survey people about what they would do in extreme situation. If somebody pulled a gun on you, would you -

a) Run away?
b) Scream?
c) Play dead?
d) Attack him?

I'm going with e) Whatever I say now doesn't matter, because if that were to actually happen my emotions would take over.

It may be that one third of men would rape an unconscious woman. But I don't know how to know that without putting one in front of them.

 

I doubt you'd get funding for that research.

 

Or volunteers.

 

I wish I had a fake account so I could make a Heimlich Maneuver joke.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/c...lpha-epsilon-pi-court-documents-20180517.html

Temple University frat president in trouble for allegedly getting rapey.

The former president of a Temple University fraternity, charged this week with attempted rape, is accused of trying to force a 19-year-old woman to perform sex acts on him in his bedroom at the fraternity house, grabbing her by the wrists, digging his knee into her thigh, and telling her to “shush” as she was crying, according to court documents.


Ari Goldstein, 21, of Wrightstown Township, Bucks County, is charged with attempted rape, indecent assault, simple assault, and other counts.​

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Temple should probably shut down Alpha Epsilon Cosby.

 

I wonder how many rich, successful 80 year old males have not repeatedly violated today's gender-relations standards. I would guess fewer than 50%.

Which is not to make excuses for them, or to criticize current standards. Just trying to assess the reality.

 

Apparently, playing Cetera wasn't enough

 

The voice of god.

No rape charges as of yet right.

 

It wasn't.

It's in 'The Independent' which hasn't been 'published', (as it used to be thought of), for a long time now. It's purely an online thing which, as far as I can see, is a 'front' for various, (mostly Russian), clickbait services.

It's a joke.

The other thing is there's a disconnect between what people think is acceptable in their own behaviour and what people on twitter or facebook, (often with only a potted version of an incident), think is acceptable. Everybody seems eager to offer a half-baked opinion with sometimes the most limited knowledge of what's happened.

I can't count the number of times I've heard about some appalling crime apparently committed only to find out it either didn't occur OR that important information, (that totally changes the nature of the debate), has been omitted.

If people would only slow down a bit and WAIT before rushing to judgement they wouldn't make themselves look so stupid or, (worse still), back themselves into a corner where they feel they HAVE to keep defending an indefensible position.

 

It's not a joke to drop that sort of thing on unsuspecting political posters without mentioning that they used a sample size that'd fit into a Mini Cooper.

 

A sample size of 86 on a population of 29006 (the total student body of the two universities where the survey was taken) gives a confidence interval of 9.82 at a 95% confidence level. So the "real" percentage will fall somewhere in between 21.88% and 41.52%. No less shocking even at the lower limit, imho.

 

Funny that google ads has this ad for me to see in this thread. B Clinton is coming to Chicago.

I mean B Clinton was one hell of a President, but man was he was a sexual Predator that was lucky enough to get elected before the #metoo movement (I guess he could still have won if he ran as a Republican like trump).

 

Not much of a surprise, the guy was sleeping with his step-granddaughter.

 

Wait, what? When did this happen?

 

Wouldn't that rather depend on how the sample came about? Are they self-selected or chosen at random?

Your figure would only be accurate if they were chosen at random. If they were self-selected or, (even worse), chosen by somebody trying to make a point that figure would be WAY off.

Also, when they speak of coercion and quote 'holding someone down' is that the only method of coercion used? If they're maybe including other things like buying someone a drink and including THAT as 'coercion' then the figures seem more likely.

TBH 'holding someone down' is force by almost ANY definition.

LESS then 0.3% seems an incredibly small sample so the point about how that sample was chosen becomes relevant.

 

Not entirely sure how that would work. Your assertion seems to be that the sample size might have been selected on the assumption that the guys they interviewed were more likely to think rape was alright? How could you even pre-determine that?

 

I shouldn't have stated it as fact rather there has been rumors of it for awhile now. It recently popped up again when his step-granddaughters murderer made a claim in court.

newyorkpostlink

seriously it's mostly tabloid gossip

 

Well, that's why the sample-size is a problem. Without knowing precisely HOW they were 'chosen' we can't know if it was skewed somehow, particularly if you're testing LESS than 0.3% of people in a group.

There's a reason why scientific studies are blind or even double-blind.

If the result didn't seem to indicate that a third of men thought it was fine to hold a women down to force her to have sex I wouldn't be asking the question but, TBH, it LOOKS like bollocks to me.

Also the $51 tag to actually see the results, (so we can check), looks slightly dodgy.

HEY! Maybe it's all above-board. I'd just like to see more details. That's all

 

https://www.theroot.com/white-woman...source=theroot_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

She admitted that she made up the allegation of sexual assault against [the football players] because it was the first thing that came to mind and she didn’t want to lose [another male student] as a friend and potential boyfriend. ... She stated that she believed when [the other male student] heard the allegation it would make him angry and sympathetic to her.

Every day the sun crosses the ********ing sky, @Belgian guy
Every day, folks walk around in fear.

 

Not sure what your point is?
I don't think I ever claimed that false accusations are unheard of. But compared to actual rape that goes unpunished, they are incredibly rare.

 

Sorry so late- didn't see this until now.

You have no idea whether they're incredibly rare or not, which is what my link is all about demonstrating. You don't know have any idea how many Black or Brown men have been Scottsboro'd because Emily Scarlett decided to go back to Rhett after she'd had her fun. But you're steady posting here on this topic, and I have yet to read you link a false rape incident.

Just giving you something to think about. When you don't think about it, I'll still be able to say I gave it my best shot.