Racism...Forever?

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  1. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
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    It'll take a lot of work to substantiate that.
     
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  2. Matt in the Hat

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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Correct.
     
  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    West Virginia is the poster child for economic anxiety. All those rural coal miners being globalized out of existence. There is nothing that Elizabeth Warren can do, no proposal to combat them being globalized out of existence, to get the time of day from West Virginian voters. That crushes the economic anxiety thesis right there. You can't ask for a more powerful refutation. Well except maybe that Donald Trump slashed Medicare in his budget, and nobody in West Virginia appeared to care.

    At some point, maybe, West Virginians will vote on economic issues, in which case they will become more receptive to Warren (and other Democrats), and then I will write something different.
     
  4. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

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    Logically, nope. It tells you that either 1) concern about economic state is a red herring with those voters, as you're suggesting; OR 2) West Virginia voters simply don't believe that Elizabeth Warren will substantially improve their economic state; OR 3) as important as economic concerns are, other things are more important; OR 4) some combination of the above, with the relative proportions likely varying from voter to voter.

    1.) I could start by asking for something that *is* a refutation.
    2.) Do you really not see the irony of your using such a simplistic, nuance-free perspective to describe tens of millions of people in a forum in which folks routinely criticize Trump's supporters for having simplistic, nuance-free perspectives?

    Furthermore, all of this seems like an attempt to change your point. You were originally arguing what you thought the results of the election were "about". Since West Virginia would have been unlikely to vote for a Democrat no matter who the Republican or Democratic candidates were, using West Virginia as a guide to understanding that election seems pretty . . .misguided.

    Oh, and for the fourth time: if someone says that concern about their economic prospects was the reason they voted for Donald Trump, do you assert that they're lying?
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I noticed that NYU did a whole series on Scranton in that Bolus link I posted up thread. Since Lackawanna Co. helped swing PA to Trump, I saw this as an interesting stat:

    Kenney is part of the rising Trump faction in a historically blue city. This year, 3011 registered Democrats in Lackawanna County, which includes Scranton, switched to the Republican Party, but only 502 people did the opposite, according to the Pennsylvania Department of State. Despite its heritage – the city is the birthplace of Joe Biden – Scranton is an aging, mostly white, blue-collar town. A quarter of the population sits below the poverty line. It is no surprise that it has become a contested battleground. In this campaign, both Trump and Clinton visited here twice

    All of the articles are an interesting time capsule look at Trumpism in 2016.

    http://projects.nyujournalism.org/stateofpa/scranton/
     
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  6. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
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    I learned about how election racism worked 40 years ago, in my History of the American South class, where in the plantation class used racial fears to get the poor whites to accept the policies that pleased the plantation class. If you asked many of those poor whites, they would have told you that the plantation owners cared about people like them. The plantation owners made them feel economically safer. But it was a ruse. The policies that the plantation owners favored tended to keep the poor whites poor. But the poor whites voted for them anyway, because what really mattered to them was keeping the blacks in their place. So that they wouldn't take white peoples' jobs and so that they wouldn't rape their women.

    The same mechanism happened in California with the Chinese, in New York with the Irish, and I could go on. Getting elected on racism always involves invoking economic anxiety (and physical safety). But the true issue was race. And is today.
     
  7. And still some people think teaching low class to read would make them smarter:rolleyes:
     
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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Steve King (R - Whitelandia) says white people handle floods like this, black people handle it like that

    "I saw that from the air and from the ground and went back and did what we could to help those folks down there,” King said of his time in New Orleans. “But here’s what FEMA tells me: ‘We go to a place like New Orleans and everybody’s looking around saying, who’s gonna help me, who’s gonna help me?’”

    King then claimed the FEMA official praised the people of Iowa for helping each other in similar circumstances, rather than waiting for outside assistance.

    “They’re just always gratified when they come and see Iowans take care of each other, so that’s a point of pride that spreads across the country,” King said.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c93ddb2e4b0a6329e13d2ae
     
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  9. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    He's very unspecific about what the Iowans actually did for one another, and he attributes it to (one member of) an organization very unlikely to verify or refute his claims. It's actually a pretty smart move- Conservatives will latch on and rebroadcast the White Work Ethic Meme.

    America may never be great, but it's America again, that's for certain.
     
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  10. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    One of the most fascinating periods of that is in the south west copper mines of the late 1800s and early 1900s. There was strife between the White and Latino (either immigrants or native born) workers, but eventually they agreed that the owners of the mines were the ones causing the bigger issues and banded together. So when the copper mine owners acted by bringing in Whites (scabs) from out of state to take the strikers place (I think from Eastern Europe), they neither spoke the language, nor were local so so where there for the jobs.
     
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  11. xtomx

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    This should be the slogan for this nation now, unfortunately.
     
  12. Imbecility is contagious and spreading:


    The lunatic uploader of this vid has no clue about the functioning of the democratic system in the Netherlands.
    The press, and especially the foreign ones, make it as if this traitor (he tried to derail the MH17 investigation among others with a letter to Pvtin puppet Trvmp) has overtaken the Netherlands.
    Imbecils, is the battery of your calculator empty? He has just about 20% of the total of votes and in contrast to the fascist endorsing AngloSaxon "winner takes it all" system over here each vote counts. So if you imbecil press cvnts donot understand it, that number means the overwhelming majority of 80% didnot vote for him and the overwhelming majority in the parlement isnot controlled by him.
     
  13. Pønch

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    Whoa, I just got a Damon Esquire flashback...
     
  14. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    The anti-vaxxers are suppressing anti imbécil innoculations.
     
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  15. Antario2

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    Jan 29, 2012
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    Right wing politics hasn't changed much over the course of a century, has it.
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    "Alexa, make the Jussie Smollett case weirder."

     
  17. ceezmad

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    How about the 2 Nigerian extras alleged MAGA hat wearing dudes?
     
  18. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Am awaiting Donald Trump's apology. Eagerly. I'll be holding my breath.
     
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  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Joined Blacks For Trump because it's a much more lucrative grift
     
  20. raza_rebel

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    Dec 11, 2000
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    I can bet Melania is still waiting on an apology for raw-dogging a porn star
     
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  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Maybe she likes being a cuck-ette
     
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  22. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is hopping mad about this.
     
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  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Is Rahm mad about the charges being dropped, or the attorneys crowing in Trump fashion? Or both?
     
  24. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Actually, I've read that the porn industry is pretty serious about testing.
     

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