Quentin Westberg at AJ Auxerre

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  1. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
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    Not much - if anything - to do with reserve teams being in the pyramid. After all, that only happens in Spain and Germany (used to in Holland, at least for the Cup, in the early 80s).

    It's more to do with the scale of the various teams. Barring financial meltdown at a particular club, there is a clear gap between teams like, say, Nantes, that are D1-standard clubs that could sustain themselves for 5-6 seasons in the top flight if they get a good coach and assemble a good squad, and the clubs where D3 is their natural level. In England, virtually the entire Championship and even a portion of D3 (e.g. Sheffield United) are D1 clubs in waiting. Check the stadium sizes. Most of the Championship clubs are in 25K+ stadia, whereas in Italy, Spain the D2 clubs are in stadia as small as 7k . In other countries, you're talking about 5-6 teams max that are capable of mounting a promotion challenge and sustaining themselves. Even in BL2 only half are at that level.
     
  2. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
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    This situation is kind of blowing up. If anyone reads French, maybe they could read and summarize the following article? http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/201...riez-ne-cedera-a-aucune-menace-politique.html

    From what I can gather, the secretary of sport in the French government came out to say that this situation is ridiculous and that the leagues are trying to enforce a "closed system" and not allow any new teams in. The president of the professional leagues obviously had a rebuttal. Also, we know how much FIFA hates "outside involvement" of political bodies, so they might weigh in soon too.
     
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  3. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    has the league calendar been amended yet?
     
  4. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
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    Rochester Rhinos
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    United States
    Here is the summary:
    Frédéric Thiriez, the President of the LNP (Ligue de football professionnel) has stated that he will not accept political interference with regards to Luzenac.
    Others have argued that LNP wants to have a closed system of only a few clubs with only 18 clubs and only one being relegated each season. One went as far as to call they hypocrites.
    The upcoming court date deals with the LNP refusing Luzenac on the grounds that their stadium is "outside of the normal security" rules.
    Ligue 2 has already had 3 matches, while National has had two.

    Here is where I bet this ends up, Luzenac plays the season in National, but gets a bunch of cash. Either league will be difficult for the club as a result of so many matches to make up. The longer this goes on, the more likely Luzenac will be relegated from either league.
     
  5. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
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    Nope.
     
  6. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
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  7. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Feel bad for them. Hate it when small clubs get dumped for whatever reason.
     
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  8. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
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  9. OWN(yewu)ED

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    May 26, 2006
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    French lower divisions are weird. Last few years clubs like Stratsbourg and Cannes have jumped all the hell over the place with no apparent explanation.
     
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  10. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
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    Don't know too much about this but from earlier...

     
  11. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
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    CFA is regional. So each year the teams that are played are grouped into regions, thus creating odd groups where one year a team may be in a region with teams in the Southeast, but the next there might be lots of Southeast team and they are forced to be in the Southwest, etc.

    Here is a pretty lengthy article in French:
    http://www.rtl.fr/sport/football/luzenac-toujours-pas-accepte-en-ligue-2-7773953982

    It basically says that things were fine, except the stadium situation. It did not meet minimum qualifications for Ligue 2. I think no one has any idea how to get out of this situation. What I mean by that, Luzenac is not placed in a league yet, because they do not know how to do it.
     
  12. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

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    What a cluster....
     
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  13. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
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    Luzenac is not giving up hope yet. They have another court date set this upcoming week to get into Ligue 2. After that, who knows.
     
  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    what's Westberg and the rest of the boys options if the club is forced to drop down?
     
  15. The Irish Rover

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    #190 The Irish Rover, Aug 30, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2014
    Depends on the owners and what they want to do.
    If they decide they still want to pursue Ligue 2/be a local heroes club in D3, then he's under contract and he (and the club) has to honour his contract. A lot of the players (like Quentin)signed because they thought they were going to Ligue 2: tough luck, it's D3 for the season.
    If they don't, then they will surely tell the players "the league have screwed us, so this project makes no sense for anyone, including you. If your agent has any options we're willing to give you a loan or a free transfer. If not, here's X months wages and you're released. Either way, the club is going into liquidation. Thanks & good luck."
     
  16. BostonRed

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    Oct 9, 2011
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    Now a free agent:
     
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  17. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
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    Looks like you called it.
     
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  18. The Irish Rover

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    #193 The Irish Rover, Sep 10, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2014

    Sadly.

    I don't like the sight of small-market teams being denied access to the leagues based on bureaucratic criteria, but in this case I have some sympathy for the league. Playing at a Ligue1 team's stadium 80 miles away is a recepie for financial disaster in the medium-term once the owner/sponsor loses interest/runs into financial difficulties. 80 miles may not sound like a lot to you guys across the pond; but take it from me in Europe (even in rural France) it's a heck of a distance for a sports event,
     
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  19. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
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    Realize it's a low chance but I suppose Westberg would enter allocation order if he tried MLS, right? Flow chart doesn't help

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  20. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
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    Excellent chart.

    I don't think he would enter the allocation order though because he isn't a national team player. I also don't think he's good enough for MLS, but that's another topic for another day.
     
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  21. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
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    Does he have a senior cap? If yes, then he's subject to the allocation order (a la Robles). If not, then it would come down to whether anyone has a discovery claim on him.
     
  22. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    He does not.
     
  23. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    I think as a former YNT player the league might shoehorn him into a weighted lottery if there was interest from multiple teams. Otherwise I think he'd be in the wavier draft like Jared Jeffrey.
     
  24. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
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    The whole thing sucks. He should be able to land a job in France, but not the most favorable circumstances through no fault of his own.
     
  25. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
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    Trying to find some vids on Westberg. Here are three from the last year:





    Also a very old highlight video, including one save AGAINST MESSI at 1:35 ; )



    All-in-all, seems fairly explosive but a tad short. A little sloppy but he kind of reminds me of Steve Clark before he went to Columbus. Always had the big spring but mechanically things weren't there. I'd have to see more of Westberg but I could see him playing USL/NASL and possibly working his way up. He's 28, so not ancient.
     
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