Qatar 2022

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Personally I just can't go to a country where I can't eat bacon anywhere I want.
    It is just a matter of principle.
     
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  2. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I haven't checked recently save for one site that didn't have all the answers, but does anyone know the real status of all the proposed stadiums? I've two actually under construction and formal designs for most of the rest but on the whole where would we say they stand with regards to venue development?
     
  3. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member

    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    That's lovely.
     
  4. Cowtown Felipe

    Mar 12, 2012
    Fort Worth, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Country:
    United States
    Pass.
    I went to every World Cup from 1994 to 2014 except 2002. Missing the one in 2002 motivated me to go to the next 3. FIFA has managed to discourage me from attending the next two by putting them in Russia and Qatar.
    The rest of you, have fun. I think I'll go to a beach town somewhere and watch the games in bars.
     
  5. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member

    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Country:
    United States
    You have a good memory, I've been to Bahrain 5 or 6 times; I was actually there on 9/11 (not that that matters). I actually never disliked going there, although after my typical week there I was always more than ready to go home due to boredom. It just wasn't as fun as other destinations, but I totally agree it wasn't a "hellhole". It's just after the newness of seeing a different culture wore off, there wasn't much to do or see.

    2022 is a long ways off, and a lot could change between now and then. But I am open to stopping by Qatar for a few days and catching some matches live. I expect it to be extremely expensive, and not nearly as interesting (in terms of non-football things to do). But I will want to see some live matches. My current thinking is that I will then continue on to someplace like Thailand to relax, have fun, and watch every match on TV. I can't see myself spending 3-4 weeks in Qatar though like I did in Brazil and plan to do in 2018 in Russia.
     
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  6. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Country:
    Serbia
    How classic and even nostalgic a 2022 qatar world cup already appears after the expansion that will change the face of world cups in 2026

    I wonder, if there is already a schedule available, as i wonder how they like to compress the current 32 day schedule into 28 days. Also i would like to know the kick off times?

    in contradiction to many other observers, i dont see a problem with holding the event in november-december.

    It can be simply done by having club competitions stopping at end of october. 3 weeks of world cup preps should be enough for guaranteeing a quality tournament. It will be interesting to watch superstars not being "draught" by a 80+ club season as they only have.

    As there will be a tournament ahead, national team football would be stripped of the standard september and october 2022 dates, leaving space for 4 additional slots (weekend + midweek) for club competitions like league and champions league. In that case, ECL group phase can be finished until end of october and the league will have around 10-15 match days played.

    Worldcup 2022 will end on Dec 18, but a lot of players will be released earlier of course as their teams are failing in group phase or knock-outs. Officially, the european leagues can commence in January again and have to make up for missing 8-10 matchdays. these can be done by extending the 2023 season into june, with the ECL and UEL Finals being played in mid june.

    I don`t see any problem here, as the summer 2023 will have no summer tournament on the plan.
     
  7. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    Virginia Beach
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Country:
    United States
    So you don't think it's going to be a problem for countries like Germany that take a winter break? No league games being played from Oct-Feb sounds like too long of a break.
     
  8. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Country:
    United States
    It's going to be a shitshow for the leagues that don't take a winter break of any real size that's for sure. He makes it sound so easy. But you're right, no league play for 3 months in the heart of the season is just disastrous.
     
  9. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    2023 Copa América, that's June/July 2023 + CONCACAF probably have a tournament in mind for that summer

    Any idea when the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations will take place? ... could be moved to the summer of 2023 but probably will start right after Qatar2022 ... same for the AFC Asian Cup? ... that's a lot of international football for the African and Asian sides involved in both cups.

    The Nations League Finals are played in odd years ... so in the summer of 2023 there's another tournament ... while the qualifiers for EURO2024 have been squeezed into 5 double matchdays (March 2023, June 2023, August/September 2023, etc.) ... the international breaks ahead of Qatar2022 (August/September 2022, October 2022 and November 2022) are already pencilled in as well (UNL group stage; deciding which teams enter the play-offs and Final Four) ... these dates could be moved around a bit but still need to be on the calendar (e.g. move them back so you have the November 2022 break available).

    Also, Rummenigge proposed to cluster international breaks ... 2 longer ones could help NT managers that then can work with their players more intensively (on tactics) and could improve the standard of football (and also less travel for players between club and country) ... have to wait and see what happens with this suggestion.

    Rummenigge said: “The number of games can remain the same in theory, but there should only be two international breaks, which can be longer. In October and March: We could play four instead of two games during those international breaks.”
     
  10. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Uefa Qs for Qatar2022 ... I'm guessing 10 group winners qualify directly (regular Qs ending in November 2021) ... 3 berths to be decided ... could be allocated via the UNL play-offs in March 2022 ... for the top divisions only (unless Infantino allows Uefa minnows in).

    That would mean 3 play-off micro-competitions with the 12 best teams that haven't qualified via the regular Qs ... each play-off micro-competition "will consist of two "one-off" semi-finals (best-ranked team vs. fourth best-ranked team and second best-ranked team vs. third best-ranked team, played at home of higher-ranked teams) and one "one-off" final between the two semi-finals winners (venue drawn in advance)."

    Maybe they'll change this to a draw with 6 seeded and 6 unseeded teams (using Fifa's ranking) or just have the best-ranked team play the 12th ranked, and so on ... if the higher ranked teams always win you would get these 3 finals:

    - No.1 v. No.6 ... e.g. France v. Ireland
    - No.2 v. No.5 ... e.g. Holland v. Iceland
    - No.3 v. No.4 ... e.g. Croatia v. Wales
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Don't some leagues already do that anyway though? e.g. Ukraine, Russia

    We'll only be adding Germany, Belgium and Holland to that list. The rest of the top UEFA leagues either already have a 2.5-3 month break or are in countries with warm enough climates that they can have players report back to their clubs on 2 January (or even late December).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of a Qatar WC or a November WC, but I don't think this particular aspect of it is such a big deal. Players should get back in the groove 1 or 2 weeks after the break.

    They should play the CL final in Scandinavia though given that it will probably be scheduled for July. :laugh:
     
  12. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Oh, I don't see how the ACN can be played right after WC 2022. That would be absurd! AFAIK, the only reason that tournament is played in January is because of weather, but they can easily make an exception in 2023 just by hosting it in a southern African country. Either South Africa again or a joint bid by Zambia and Zimbabwe are good options to host a July 2023 ACN.


    Well, the November int'l break will just consist of friendlies in and around Qatar I would imagine. They could also begin the Euro 2024 qualifiers before the 2022 World Cup (i.e Sept & Oct 2022).
     
  13. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Guinea reject a June Nations Cup to accommodate Qatar 2022

    You could just push the UNL group stage back a bit like I said before (as there won't be a summer WC) ... or use Rummenigge's suggestion ... both free up the November 2022 int'l break. The draw for the Euro 2024 qualifiers is based on the UNL ranking ... so the UNL group stage needs to be finished first ... that's normally November 2022 or October 2022 when it's pushed back (or opt for Rummenigge's suggestion instead).
     
  14. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member

    Jun 21, 2009
    SF North Bay
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    Denmark
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
  16. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
    This might serve as a motivator for Africa to expand the tournament to 24 and play it only once every four years. It's pointless to play the AFCON every two years from a sporting perspective. From a financial one, I can see it though.
     
  17. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Country:
    Serbia
    Just asking, does football only work in combination with alcohol for you? :-D
     
  18. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    It certainly helps. :p
    Its great that FIFA put an end to the drinking and partying in the fan zones. People were having too much fun. Can't have that!

    Of course its not just the alcohol ban. This is just yet another thing that makes Qatar 2022 shitty. Where was this talk about "camping in the desert" and November WC when the Qatar bid was being presented and voted on?
     
  19. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member

    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Football doesn't, but camping only works in combination with alcohol.
     
  20. Anthony

    Anthony Member

    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
    I found it easier to find bacon in Qatar and Dubai than I did in Tel Aviv.

    Though finding alcohol in Tel Aviv was not an issue
     
  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
    Camping in the desert isn't exactly a public place. Here in the UAE alcohol is allowed at tourist desert camps. I do think this is one area Qatar will be flexible on.

    As for the stadium experience, I could see some kind of beer tent nearby but you can't take the beer/drink to your seat. That would be a workable compromise.
     
  22. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    Virginia Beach
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Country:
    United States
    I prefer this one to be in America and I don't like that it is being held in the fall, that is going to be a logistical nightmare for most domestic leagues around the world. That being said, I have not been to Qatar but I have been to UAE and Bahrain many times and I don't think that the World Cup will be a bad one. Here's why:

    The Weather: During the fall and winter out there the weather is real nice, kinda like being in San Diego. Comfortable, shorts and a t-shirt during the day but a light jacket at night.

    The Cities: Most people think that Dubai is an anomaly. Abu Dhabi, Manama and Doha are just like it Dubai just markets itself better. Super modern and futuristic. It's going to have everything that you are going to want or need including alcohol. Which brings me to my next point...

    The Alcohol: You aren't going to walk away from the stadium and do a pub crawl around town. You are going to leave the stadium, go back to your hotel and do a pub crawl around the 4 or 5 bars and/or nightclubs inside your hotel. There is alcohol but its only going to be inside your hotel or resort.

    The Security: Doha is a world city and a business capital. The people there are use to other cultures from other counties. They might not like Americans but no one is going to harass you around town. Behave like an adult in public and everything will be ok.

    Just my 2 cents but I'm sure my views would be different if I have not spent time in that area of the world.
     
  23. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Country:
    United States
    Erm..... I don't think I'd say Doha is just like Dubai... Everyone, even in this region sees Dubai as something special. Some love it, some hate it, but it's definitely different. It's kind of like comparing New York to Houston or something like that I'd think... some find the Doha, with its slower pace of life a more livable place, but if you're going for action and entertainment, Dubai definitely takes the cake in this region. Abu Dhabi on the other hand is starting to come up....
     
  24. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Just move it already
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Wow! I can hardly contain my excitement.:unsure:

    At first I was thinking it would be kinda boring only to be able to drink in my hotel. Now that hotel has become a tent in the the desert. Yeah... that's not sweetening the deal.
     
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