Professional Development Leagues thread

Discussion in 'England' started by The Guardian, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
    They've had very few England call ups in those age groups. It looks like the standard signing of foreign players to cover short falls in their ability to identify and develop at younger age groups.
     
  2. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Any reason for it for you ? It obviously starts in the lower age groups but its not like City/Utd have only started competing for the talent. So is it club attitude ? Scouting ? Coaching ?

    Looking at how many English scholars are at City & Utd.

    Man City

    U18: Francis , Rosler, Foden & Bolton (all Stockport), T.Dele-Bashiru (Manchester), Latibeaudiere (Doncaster) , Ian Carlo Poveda ( London/Brentford)

    U17: Anderson (Barrow/Blackpool), Scott, Frimpong, Ogbeta, F. Dele-Bashiru, F.Nmecha & K.Simmonds (all Manchester), Duncan (Prescot/Wigan), Corrigan (Liverpool/Everton), Ogunby (Bolton/Bury), Richards (London/Fulham), Amankwah (Croydon,London)

    Article on City's local recruitment : https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...players-joe-shields-profile-a7931306.html?amp


    Man Utd

    U18s : Barrett (Huddersfield), Dunne (Manchester), Spratt (Leeds), Tanner (Blackpool), Barlow & Gomes (Salford),

    U17s : Thompson (Warrington), Carney (Rotherham), Laird , Williams & Bughail-Mellor (Manchester), Garner (Birkenhead), McGhee (Oldham) , Bernard (London/Chelsea)
     
  3. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    There've been plenty of politics involved in United not getting a lot of England call-ups.
     
  4. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Do we know what it involves ?

    Was thinking Tuanzebe is the only one not called-up who could have been. CBJ & Mitchell got Toulon call-ups. Williams has been in squads but is always injured.

    Greenwood, Mengi, Elanga in 16s/15s are stand-outs but never in squads. Lets see if 13 year-old Shoretire is called up to next years u15 camp.
     
  5. zanyk

    zanyk Member

    Mar 1, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I think it's pretty standard. United does not play youngsters up the age group that often these days at U18s/U23s level (even Gomes still playing U18s level) so the likes of Laird, Garner, (Brandon) Williams had no chance to get the call ups. Brandon Williams for example was a late 2000 and has just started to get U18s game times this season. His competition for England? Sessegnon's brothers whom both have made their first team debuts. Lewis Gibson who played U23s for Newcastle and Everton. Basically they have too many players and not enough games. DJ Buffonge is warming the bench for the U23s and too old for the U18s. Greenwood is still either bench or not in the squad at all for the U18s because they sign Milen Baars from Ajax who's decent but really a bit unnecessary signing.
     
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  6. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
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    --other--
    Spurs u19s impressed in their 4-0 win against a weak looking Dormund. Anyone know if they had any excuses - missing players etc? Spurs keeper Brandon Austin made some spectacularly impressive saves.
     
  7. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    nah, that's just the Dortmund side at this age group.
     
  8. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    In that case it would seem they need to reconsider their youth policy.
     
  9. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The gifted future England senior star Curtis Jones scored twice for Liverpool's u19s yesterday (after scoring his first goal of the season for the u18s on Friday) in their 4-0 win against Sevilla It was a very competitive game with Sevilla looking a talented, sharp and lively side. But the longer the game went on the more Liverpool started to dominate. Good experience for all concerned.
     
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  10. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think they are the German Champions in this age group fwiw
     
  11. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
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    --other--
    I was thinking perhaps the Germans need to start copying the English youth development practices. We're leaving them behind. :cool:
     
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  12. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
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    --other--
    I'm pretty sure this was clarified before and it turned out that because of the way German youth teams are structured the German teams never take strong squads to the UEFA Youth League.
     
  13. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I think we need someone to make the casting vote.
     
  14. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Can only really speak of experiences vs Schalke as far as Chelsea go but they definitely sent strong teams, they're the only club to beat Chelsea in the competition through three years of being in it.
     
  15. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Some talk that Huddersfield have proceeded with their decision to close the academy. Dunno what happens to the 18s or 23s but the younger groups appear to have all gone.
     
  16. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Ridiculous from Huddersfield to close up their Academy considering they have just gained Promotion to the Prem and will benefit from millions they will get.

    What's the long term ramifications, if more and more academies start shutting down their Centres? Maybe I misunderstand but say most of the Clubs under the Prem close, how will the kids develop or will it be a case of just buying from abroad and abandon local/English kids? The FA and Premier League really need to try and sort a solution before it gets out of hand.
     
  17. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    the dumbest part is all the Huddersfield fans drinking the kool aid and pretending that this is the correct decision and was unavoidable.
     
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  18. IGSpur

    IGSpur Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Can;t remember where I read it. But read a good point when someone compared it to Brentford. The latter's decision arguably make sense as they are competing with massive clubs and can pick up players off them.

    Where as Huddersfield are in a massive area they can dominate, picking up the best using the fact they're a PL club as an incentive
     
  19. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    The Brentford decision was made purely cause Benham was haemmorrhaging money in his business. The same reason why they dismantled a few other departments there at the same time. The moaning about players being stolen from them was just an excuse as an afterthought.
     
  20. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I think people are getting ahead of themselves a bit. They've made noises about 'considering' shutting it down and nothing more as far as I can tell.
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    908737287739121664 is not a valid tweet id
     
  22. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
  23. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
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    --other--
    Liverpool u19s today lost 2-1 to a very determined, "up for it" Spartak Moscow. It was a battle all the way, with Liverpool ending up with a man sent off. Still, good experience all round. .
     
  24. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Spurs are losing 1-0 to APOEL at HT.

    Sancho is starting for Dortmund v Madrid at 3pm. Isak has dropped down too.
     

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