i am doing a President’s Cup match this coming Friday, and I was looking over the ROC and came across this one: Substitutions: i. Substitutions may be made, with the consent of the referee, at any stoppage ofplay. ii. 12U - 18U Age Groups 1. Unlimited substitutions shall be allowed with the consent of the referee during any stoppage of play, except penalty kicks Does anyone have a clue why they make this exception to the substitution rule? And what would happen if in the course of awarding a penalty a red card was given to the defending team’s goalkeeper? Would a substitution be allowed? Yes, I know there is less of a chance of a GK doing something to be sent-off for these days, but it’s a weird sentence structure, no?
Obviously, the best course of action is to place the ball at the wrong spot, allow subs to come on like crazy, don't blow a whistle and then see what happens next.
GK can still be replaced by a field player, but that sounds like a terrible idea. Likely this is to prevent a team from subbing in a PK “specialist” to take the kick.
I'm sure it's the later, but at a tournament that sends teams to a national championship it seems strange to have such an odd rule. It's fairly common for teams to have two dedicated keepers and this rule prevents them from bringing on a GK to face the PK. It seems to be an odd way to getting to the HS rule where a sub cannot take a PK, but the competition is limited by the LOTG on what rules they can change and substitution procedure is one of them.
This was the answer given to me when I raised this in the past with local cup leaders. I was also told that they didn't really mean to prevent a backup keeper from coming in if a goalkeeper was sent off, but clearly they haven't changed the rule so I think we're stuck with it
It's Presidents Cup. That's like the 5th tier of youth soccer now. They are lucky if they have one GK. My state used to have this as a rule as well. Not just for the tournament but in the ROC all season. It was always brought up at pre tournament meetings for referees. Someone screwed it up in a final. Team protests. State champs are no longer state champs and the game was replayed before youth regionals.
A far simpler version of that rule (if indeed it is to limit "specialized PK takers") would be to simply state: All penalty kicks must be taken by a player on the field of play at the time of the offence. Then a team can still sub to their heart's content, and yet none of those subs can take the kick. That's essentially what ice hockey does already with bench penalties and penalty shots.
The problem is if a GK takes a red card that results in a PK and you can't sub. You're forced to put a field player in goal even if you have a back up GK on the bench.
That's my point. If the intent of the rule was to stop "specialized PK takers"... then what I suggested would be a better option than what exists now.
Oh I'm sure that's what the intent of the rule is, and I'm sure all referees agree in principle with you. Unfortunately it's our job to enforce it regardless of what they intended. It results in these unintended consequences of idiotic administrators and coaches making up rules as they go along without consulting an experienced referee instructor that knows the LOTG well.
And I get that too -- I was suggesting that a good alternative for them might have been to go the other way around to the solution. Never suggesting that we (as referees) should enforce anything other than what the rule explicitly says. Don't worry.
Yea that is far simpler but as @code1390 said, most of the laws you can't change and I'm not sure your suggestion is possible.
Agreed. You can't modify that law so you stick with modifying the substitution aspects to suit your end desire.
No substitutions for injured players?? I think the answer should be: substitution anytime, but the substitute cannot take a PK.
Do teams really have a "PK specialist" sitting on the bench waiting for the occasion to take a PK? It honestly shouldn't matter who takes the PK anyway, it's a penalty awarded to the team, not an individual, so why award it to part of the team only?
I think this rule comes from people seeing rules in other sports like hockey where it has to be a player on the ice has to take the penalty shot or basketball where the fouled player has to take the free throw. Or maybe they are misapplying the law from KFTPM to penalty kicks where it has to be a player on the field of play.
I'm sure someone on here knows for sure, but I think it is a HS rule that a sub cannot take a PK (though subs can take KFTM). I actually think the idea comes from "that's not soccer" to have a sub come in to take a PK. It never happens in "real" soccer, in part, because of tightly limited subs.