Pele or Maradona?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by eraro2001, Jan 10, 2005.

  1. eraro2001

    eraro2001 New Member

    Jan 10, 2005
    canada
    This is not even comments made by a brazilian, but it's truly the best I ever read:

    The greatest football player ever, or does anyone have a different opinion??
    Is there anyone, who says Pelé is not the greatest player ever? The real problem is to find an acceptable comment against Pelé beeing the greatest ever.

    There are times when there appears someone pointing someone else than Pelé as the greatest football player ever. In Argentina you'll find the strongest candidate, Maradona. Cruyff and Pele's team-mate Garrincha also are commented here and there. Here are the four most common comments against Pelé:

    1: Pelé lived in a time when you had more freedom to move in the arena, without getting hurt than for example Maradonna. That may be the most incorrect comment of them all, we are talking about a time when there is no discipline, almost no rules and no strong organisation protecting the players. There were no yellow or red card and players could do almost whatever they wanted on the arena, without getting punished. Pelé himself got experience from this when he was violently hurted both in the world cup 62 and 66. Some teams even had plans to hurt the star of the opposite team. Today injuries are much easier to cure, Pelé never got an operation in whole his life, until he was 58 years old. So it is really amazing he could stay in the absolute top of football for almost 20 years.
    1 282 goals in 1 375 games. That is the total number of goals scored from Pelé during his victorious career.

    2:pelé won his three world cups in a team full of stars, that is easy. Maradonna won his world cups alone.
    That is true, but remember that this could be a comment for pelé aswell, he was the king in a time of genius players (Cruyff, Di stefano, Garrincha, Beckenbauer, Puskas), who were the rivals of Maradonna?

    3:pelé never played in an european club, his football never were tested in Europe
    Maradonna himself said that Pelé would be weaker in an european team, the fact is that Pelé may never have played in an european team, but he did play against european teams, in total he played 100 international matches with Santos, most of them against european teams. He won the world cup for clubs final 2 times (against Juventus 62 and Benfica 63). With Brazil he scored as many goals/matches as he did with Santos, it didn't matter what defense he played against, no one could stop him. Besides that, who said european clubs were better than Brazilian clubs when Pelé played football (all the great Brazilian players in that time played in Brazil)?

    4:Maradonna was a better dribbler than Pelé was.
    I would agree that Maradonna was a better dribbler than Pelé, but Pelé was more complete as a player and he was much more efficicient than Maradonna, Pelé would rather pass the ball than dribble if someone was better positioned than himself. Another fact is that there are few pictures of amazing Pelé numbers, we only have words about some fantasitic goals he scored with Santos, while we have all seen Maradonna's greatest moments and numbers. Pelé could also switch from running past the defense to dribbling the players, maradonna didn't possesed a speed even close to Pelé's. Another remarkable thing about Pelé is that he could play both as playmaker and striker in the same time. He was so complete that he even played as goalie for Santos 3 times and no one ever scored against him. Overall Maradonna probably was slightly more technical than Pelé, but not even close to as complete as "O rei".

    two moments we'll remember
    It sounds like a lie that 2 of the most remembered numbers from Pelé didn't result with a goal. Both occured in the same match, the classic 1970 world cup semi-final between Brazil and Uruguay, which did end 3-1 to Brazil. Uruguay took the lead early in the match and memories from the final 1950, when Uruguay beat Brazil were coming back to the Brazilians. Later Brazil would win the match, but what will be remembered from this match would be two numbers from "O rei" which didn't end with a goal.

    One of them was a body dribble against the goalie, he just ran around the goalie leitting the ball go around the goalie in the other side, without even touching the ball, but then he missed the open goal!
    What most people don't know is that Pelé had already scored a goal simular to this 8 years before this game!

    Another classic Pelé moment was when he in this match watched that the goalie was positioned a good distance from the goal, so the genius Pelé shot the ball with only one touch directly after receiving the ball, from the middle of the arena, but he missed the goal with less than a meter

    Want to see the original: http://hem.passagen.se/marpis/pelethebest.htm

    There's more: http://hem.passagen.se/marpis/maradonnapele.html
     
  2. Alex_1

    Alex_1 Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Zürich
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Moved to a more appropriate forum.
     
  3. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I wouldn't even rank Maradona as the second best player of all time, but them's just opinions.
     
  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    It`s 'Maradona' not 'Maradonna'.

    This guy is not up-to-date, it seems. Every Pelé admirer should by now got hold of a copy of the fantastic 'Pelé Eterno' DVD. It`s full of Pelé magic.
     
  5. Vic#10

    Vic#10 New Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Orange County
    'Pelé Eterno' is a must see movie for anyone who wants to debate this topic. However, this topic is like the Israel/Palistine issue, it will never be resolved.
     
  6. king_saladin

    king_saladin New Member

    Oct 5, 2004
    MI, USA
    Pele or Maradona, for what?
    What am I trying to say either was better at?
     
  7. Vic#10

    Vic#10 New Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Orange County
    I think it is strictly who was the most skillful because if it's about Pele and Maradona for anything else that they contributed to the game, there would be no discussion.
     
  8. ronaldinhobr10

    Jan 9, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    pele is the king of football and thats never gonna change

    so when u r talking about the best players of all time, u should take out pele, and start naming from there bcuz pele was just a geneus, no one could compare to him.
     
  9. neovox

    neovox Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    Sul do Brasil
    It's a fact that he was hunted on the field all the time. But he learned to give it back - just ask the Uruguayan defender in 1970. However, he wasn't violently hurted in 1962.

    Sorry, but in my opinion it is foolish to accept that only to seem more pondered. Just watch Pelé Eterno.

    Artistry at its best!

    Curiously, as pointed out, the debate in Brazil has always been about who, between Pelé and Garrincha, was the best.

    The old Brazilian players and journalists who saw Distéfano and Maradona tend to consider the first the best Argentine player.
     
  10. Brook

    Brook BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 13, 2001
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We must remember, 2 different times. When Pele was King (as he still is now, IMO), thre was no internet, very little television, and very little radio. I grew up, pretty much, on Diego. Television with football was beginning to hit the States, Soccer America magazine was highlighting the world's game.. As said before, Pele is King. It's all a subjective opinion.
     
  11. ronaldinhobr10

    Jan 9, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    ok everyone is talking about the dvd that pele has......and i heard it from friends as well, but i didnt know it had come out already.

    so where can i buy it?
    and when did it come out?
     
  12. Vic#10

    Vic#10 New Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Orange County
    Pelé Eterno came out in 2004 and more info can be found here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0420066/

    Finding it is difficult. I suggest that you type "Pelé Eterno" in google and just start looking to order it. You cant find it at amazon.com.
     
  13. TRICOLOR BRASIL

    Feb 5, 2004
    Brazil
    I think the films name is "Pelé Forever" in english
     
  14. King Rooney

    King Rooney New Member

    Jul 29, 2004
    Leicester
    a.k.a, God or Satan
     
  15. king_saladin

    king_saladin New Member

    Oct 5, 2004
    MI, USA
    Well that is tough.
    Get the one that is 'most skillful' and they get too old in a few years. Or they get injured. Or they fail a drug test and cannot play for you.

    I don't these things can really be compared. To go deeper on it, one would have to prove which skills exactly were more important - which cannot be done, because this varies from game to game.

    But I understand that it's fun to talk about :)
     
  16. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM
    Aren't there any players who played against Maradona and Pele? It's possible if he played against Pele in the beginning of his career and against Maradona towards the end.

    I think it would be interesting as I just read a quote from Maldini, who played against Maradona and Ronaldinho. He named Maradona as the best player he ever played against but also noted that Ronaldinho was extremely skilled.
     
  17. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Pele was better, enuff said. But then again I'm Brasilian so that might sound biased since Brasilians will always say Pele was better and Argies will always say Maradona was better, but when you ask the rest of the world, most will say Pele.
     
  18. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    I say Maradona.

    They both dominated their respective eras, no doubt, but it was easier to dominate in Pele's time. The game was slower and the defenders less skilled, any objective person that watches their videos will tell you that.

    Pele was clearly better-rounded and a better scorer but for my money, Maradona was the best.
     
  19. GianPaolo

    GianPaolo New Member

    Apr 20, 2004
    Long Island, NY
    Maradona obviously. He was the best player to ever play the game. Pele was good but never played in Europe were the REAL competition was.
     
  20. ronaldinhobr10

    Jan 9, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    everyone has their own opinion, except some ppl's opinions are just a little better than others...... :D
     
  21. ronaldinhobr10

    Jan 9, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    ummm...........the REAL competition wasnt really in europe...

    pele was world champion with SANTOS..............south america..............

    if ur gonna pick maradona at least dont put pele down like that by saying "maradona obviously."
     
  22. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Platini and Van Basten come to mind, and he was clearly better than both.
     
  23. TRICOLOR BRASIL

    Feb 5, 2004
    Brazil
    hmm, so you just cant get tired of showing to people how stupid you are
     
  24. TRICOLOR BRASIL

    Feb 5, 2004
    Brazil
    So Distefano and Puskas are absolutely out of question for you?
     
  25. GianPaolo

    GianPaolo New Member

    Apr 20, 2004
    Long Island, NY
    Oooh someone is mad because i am saying the truth!!!
    Fact is Pele played for the peice of crap Brazilian league that had no good players!! How many good players besides Pele came from that league??
    I REST MY CASE!!
     

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