P/I/P: Revs @ Philly, 3/3

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by RevsLiverpool, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s hard to disagree. The team once again went through the same dreary off-season process of releasing a bunch of players and replacing them with fewer players of lesser to, maybe, equal ability.

    But, on these boards, you can’t call a spade a spade until around August when the MLS pre-season is over. So...

    “Hey, it’s just one game, they’ll gel soon and THEN you’ll see,” he said with a total lack of conviction.
     
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  2. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you honestly think having Lee in the lineup would have changed the game's outcome?
     
  3. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol at myself
     
  4. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couldnt have made it worse. Maybe we would have had a chance at a goal. Diego in that role won't get it done. He's an outside player
     
  5. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vegas has 4 teams will the longest odds to win the MLS Cup: DC, Minn, NE, and Philly. Our first game is against a fellow bottom feeder. Well that gives us an opportunity to show what we got and separate ourselves from the other bottom feeders. Ha ha ha...just kidding.

    Here are my thoughts after the game.
    First game of the season and both of our center backs get red carded. Dielna should thank the ref for allowing him to play as long as he did. We were lucky that Sapong can't score or the score would have been much worse. The 2 best players on the Revs (IMHO) are Kelyn and Lee; neither of which started, with Rowe making a token appearance with 15 minutes to go. Not that those 2 would have changed the game, but we would have looked better. Our mid-field is non-existent(see previous sentence), to go along with our weak defense. We created very few chances on goal, I realize we played down, but we were playing a fellow bottom feeder. What is this team going to look like against the better teams in the league.

    On the positive side, I'm going to keep in mind that the Bruins started their season off by looking like they weren't going to win a game. I can hope that the Revs pull the same turn around. I'm worried that Friedel made some poor decisions and I hope that is not a sign of things to come.
     
  6. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Welcome to Revolution Soccer Freidel. Did Burns forget to tell you that your job will be to turn chicken S4it into chicken soup? To weave straw into gold? Maybe now you know? The fool in the stands (also my icon) won't give you the players needed to succeed and when the heat gets to be too much, he'll throw you under the bus for failing. Don't think for a minute you're above that.. ask Heaps or Nicol

    If you want to survive this s4it show, start pushing for better players. If Burns can't/won't do it, go around him. You are MAYBE a .500 team with this team... maybe..... and in the end, it's him or you. He'll survive and you wont

    Second piece of advice - get Rowe, Nemeth and Lee on the field. Juan as a loan forward won't cut it, Rowe seems to add a lot in games and Teal will choke most of the time. Nemeth.. I think he's valuable but not sure where he fits. Lee is the key missing piece. Start him next week at home.
     
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  7. Dr. Sneezy

    Dr. Sneezy Member

    Jul 2, 2016
    I think Billy Martin said "You have thoroughbreds and mules; no matter how many times you kick a mule in the ass iit isn't going to win the Kentucky Derby."

    Nguyen and Rowe are our thoroughbreds but instead we trotted out Bunbury and Caldwell. I'm sure they hustled in preseason and have a better attitude but you need to play your most talented players

    Other thoughts

    1. The defense needs a lot of work. the CBs are slow and both Farrell and Somi kept getting beat to the endline. At

    2. Turner's distribution is terrible. His goal kicks consistently were short of halfway and one only got about 4 feet off the ground and could have been a disaster. In the second half they had him passing short, mostly to Dielna.

    3. I thought this was going to be the year when Aguedelo finally started converting his chances
     
  8. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I've got no problem if Friedel considers Turner his #1. I'll defer to his expertise on the subject. However, they should move Cropper if he's not the #1. He's surely got trade value. Sticking him on the bench is a waste of an asset.
     
  9. Brian Gockley

    Brian Gockley Member

    May 20, 2004
    Lewisburg PA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dear Coach Friedel,

    Some of these newer players are not good enough to be on your team:

    Dielna was a giveaway machine last year, and his passing tonight was worse.
    Zahibo was supposed to be our midfield general, but every time he got the ball, the play died!
    Somi was out of position repeatedly, and beaten over the top and on the dribble.

    And older retreads like these from the bargain bin:
    Bunbury is all effort and no payoff: how do you not know this?
    Anibaba looked totally lost, and a step behind at critical times.

    Without a central midfielder like Nguyen or the rumored Central American to hold the ball, we were overrun, and our defense was repeatedly disorganized and overmatched.

    You may have tried to fit these players into some system in preseason, but it did not work. My guess is that they are not as good as you thought, you are not a good enough judge of quality, and you were naive that you could fit them into whatever system you intended.

    This is all a clear mark of an inexperienced coach working with a mediocre support staff. They actually look worse since you took over.

    That was a painful game to watch because it was all so predictable... Sad.

    -Brian
     
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  10. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The Revs don't have that sort of forward on the team. While Bunbury's finishing is lacking, he at least creates chances for himself. Though Teal's most effective coming off the wing or as the support striker, which allows him to space to run past defenders.

    Probably the best hope the Revs have if they want to convert chances is to play Diego and/or Lee as a false 9.
     
  11. propnut27

    propnut27 Member

    Barcelona, Tottenham Hotspur
    Germany
    Mar 15, 2009
    Naples Fl.
    Club:
    --other--
    I believe that charging money to watch this alleged team play may well constitute criminal fraud. But Hey! It's worked for them for years. I may not go to games anymore, but I still care enough to wish this travesty might change. If more people instituted their own private boycott might someone upstairs begin to give a sh!t? Nah! It's not going to happen! Wake me when Kraft sells the team to Peoria.
     
  12. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had to sign up for MLS live to watch the game; some glad the first couple of weeks are free!
     
  13. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When has Mike Burns ever been one to maximize an asset?
     
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  14. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    Same old, same old. The biggest disappointment to me was that our supposedly 'make you giddy signing' was the first one sacrificed after the red card. You need to sacrifice someone to replace a center back, I get that but Penilla? REALLY?

    Our back line is a mess and our midfield couldn't control the ball. I can get that Brad wanted to 'shake things up' a bit in his first game, but it looks like it backfired pretty big. Why was Rowe on the bench to start? (I could care less, to be honest, that Lee is not around yet.)

    We don't have a thoroughbred on this team, we have some that are better than others, but no real thoroughbreds that I can see.
     
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  15. pwykes

    pwykes Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Auburn, MA
    Exactly. Have never been a fan of Teal for that exact reason. I think he’s a very overrated player. Would much rather seen Nemeth out there as he seems to have potential.

    I didn’t like the Friedel signing since the Revs didn’t need another rookie coach. This match validated all my concerns.
     
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  16. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Good point, yesterday might be a preview of how steep a learning curve Friedel has in front of him (got to allow some wiggle for early season weirdness and road vs. home form). This is too problematic a roster for a callow coach.
     
  17. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We are essentially back to 2012 again.
     
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  18. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems that for the Revs that Mayan prophecy was true.......
     
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  19. revfan11

    revfan11 Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Sad is the best way to put it. Just from Brad and Paul's opening attempts to hype things up to the end. Just the same 4-2-3-1 shit sandwich repackaged.

    Doesn't take an expert to see defense is an issue. Fullbacks getting torched and failing to cut out services. I thought Delamea and Dielna could be one of the few areas to count on, but Sapong abused them and was relentless.

    Remember when we had too many DM's? Well we got rid of all of them (sans Herivaux) to put our eggs in the Wilfried Zahibo basket. Don't even think he's particularly bad...just slow and under-matched to a ball winning role that asks a lot. Liked the little of Herivaux I've seen but I genuinely have no idea where he's at in his development.

    Keep in mind Philly was giving a HG teenager his debut at CAM.

    Attack looks like a watered down version of last year. At least Lee could hold the ball a little. Without him we're asking an awful lot of Fagundez and Penilla. This attack is begging for a playmaker to setup our speedsters behind the defense.
     
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  20. swedust

    swedust Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    Well, I guess my views are somewhat outliers to the board.

    Last year I was advocating for Lee to be a first-off-the-bench player and to give Diego the keys. None of what I saw in this match -- however disappointing -- has changed my mind about that.

    Coaching: I guess I am more willing to wait and see. Seems like the GK decision was illness related, yes? If not then I have more concern, as the defense looked disorganized even before Delemea's red and that often ties back to an inexperienced keeper (for any team, not just Revs).

    I didn't feel great about this season six weeks ago, and I still don't. But I don't think Lee returning is the answer, and I am willing to wait a half-dozen games to get a clearer sense of what Freidel is or isn't living up to.

    Kudos to any of you that made the trip and braved that weather!
     
  21. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Im mostly concerned with his player selection and position assignments. No way Rowe doesnt start and whatever game they're playing with Lee needs to end before the next game. Teal is a late game sub at best. I appreciate his work effort and maybe a fresh Teal against a tired defense might produce something. Juan is not fast enough to play a lone forward and if BF insists on that were not going to score many. I think Dielna is a foul waiting for a card and dont see him doing anything but hurting us. Dont think much of Zihibo either.
     
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  22. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly both teams sucked. Fans of both teams should be getting thier money back. Had we not handed the match to Philly on a silver platter, they would have had a hard time taking it. Had we played a better team we could easily have lost 6 nil (down two men AND about a 2% pass completion rate).
     
  23. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    My question with Dielna is what's the alternative? Obviously the team can't afford to have him trying to get a red card like last night, but he's still the team's best central defender. I find it shocking they came into this season with such a thin roster at that position. Maybe if they had stellar players they could get away with it, but they've got Dielna, Dellamea and Anibaba.

    The guy Dielna seemed to mesh with last season was Anguoa. To his credit, Soehn figured that out. Wonder if Anguoa still would be around if Soehn had been named the permanent manager.
     
  24. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the scary thing. Philly is crap. They are a slightly better organized revs. If getting cards was an anomaly - once or twice a season - then sure chalk up last night to the rare off night. When it's two reds in the same game, one from the captain and another from a normally reliable defender, continuing a worrying trend from last season, it's a little frightening to say the least.
     
  25. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's academic now but I would have been fine with Soehn taking over. He certainly wouldn't be the sexy choice but he knows how to organize a defense. It's tough to go through ANOTHER coach's growing pains. Friedel's confidence got him the job. Practically speaking, that's about all he has on anyone else who had actual real pro coaching experience. It will be interesting to see how Savarese does in Portland.
     
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