P/I/P: Revs at Atlanta, Wed Sept 13, 7:00pm [R]

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  1. frankieg73

    frankieg73 Member

    New England Revolution
    Portugal
    Apr 8, 2001
    St. Petersburg, FL (not my choice)
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    One further note: Last night's on field performance matched the off-field performances of these two clubs. Hope the Revs saw how far behind they are, behind a FIRST YEAR CLUB. The Revs have 0 MLS titles in 22 seasons, and they can't even keep up with an expansion team, so I may go to my grave without ever seeing the Revs lift the MLS Cup.
     
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  2. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to believe Atlanta fans view this as retribution for an embarrassment they suffered at the hands of Kraft's "other" team earlier this year. In fact I think you could take most of the comments about our poor coaching and apply them to the Falcons for that game.
     
  3. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't Clavijo fired after an embarrassingly bad loss (to Colorado, I think)?

    Did anyone else notice that Jay went back to the same 4-4-1-1 that didn't work for most of last year?

    How can Jay cash his (admittedly paltry) paycheck this week without feeling like he's a thief?
     
  4. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've been saying it for a while, but it's true now more than ever.

    Heaps needs to go. Now. Immediately. If not sooner.
     
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  5. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I knew the season was over long before this, but the players didn't (or did they?).

    They came into this one knowing they needed a result to stay alive. And they spit the bit. In epic proportion. They revealed their true character.

    Now, we have to live with this:
    How many MLS records were broken in Atlanta's 7-0 rout of New England?
    September 14, 2017, 9:30AM EDT
    Charles Boehm
     
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  6. Steve_R

    Steve_R Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    I would take a Supporter's Shield at this point. Quick: someone get Pablo on the phone to start engineering a 2016-esque Colorado turnaround in 2018 for the Revs. At least they got within 2 points of the SS.
     
  7. a517dogg

    a517dogg Member+

    Oct 30, 2005
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    A map of all the Revs' shots, block shots, crosses (including set pieces) and key passes from every player over the 90 minutes:

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  8. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Revs now have allowed 48 goals, most in the Eastern Conference.
    In the West, we are tied with SJE and LAG, with only RSL (51) and MIN (56, poor Bobby), worse.
     
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  9. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would have been funny, but you know who the ref is.... He would have shown him a red, we would have had to take off another field player and bring in Knighton. Then we would have lost by two touchdowns!
    That was largely due to the arrival of a certain Jermaine Jones. Been there done that!
     
  10. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    So? If you're a defender and your arm is away from your body and it makes contact with the ball in the box, that's a hand ball penalty. And if your hand happens to get in the way of a ball headed toward an open net, then you don't get to complain about a red card.

    My initial reaction was red card. When I saw the replay, I'd have toned it down to yellow, giving him the benefit of a doubt. Yet that's based on a sympathetic interpretation of the play (as in, he didn't really mean to do it and they're already down a man). The less sympathetic interpretation is he threw his body at a play in the box after he got beat and ended up getting his hand in front of a goal-bound ball like a dope. If that had been an Atlanta defender my reaction would have been that's what you get for being a spaz.
     
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  11. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    How about Cropper and a possible hamstring injury late in the game. Anyone have update?
     
  12. Brian in Boston

    Brian in Boston Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    MA & CA, USA
    THIS.

    Bilello... GONE.
    Burns... GONE.
    Heaps... GONE.

    They're ALL culpable. The team president has provided cover for - and failed to hold accountable - both the team's general manager AND head coach. Each and every one of their heads need to roll. Period.

    Now, granted, the true problems plaguing this (dis)organization begin with with the thoroughly disinterested stewards of the franchise, Kraft pere et fils. That said, it doesn't appear as though Bob and Jonathan have any inclination towards divesting themselves of their Gillette Stadium Patriots' off-season date-filler. So, in lieu of a new - and TRULY committed and enthusiastic - investor/operator running the MLS show in New England, we'll have to content ourselves with a purge of everyone drawing a soccer paycheck from the Kraft Group.

    You all know the tune...

    This team sucks.
    This team sucks.
    What must be done?
    What must be done?
    We still must fire "The Stooges Three":
    Jay Heaps, Bilello and Mike "Burnsie".
    Let's also get rid of Kraft apathy,
    'Cause this team sucks.
    This team SUCKS!!!
     
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  13. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was deserved. That’s all I can say. It was deserved.

    We came out with a hack Atlanta players attitude, which I guess was to try and slow them down … and it worked for all of 65 seconds. Well done Heaps. With 7 guys who are basically defenders, we still gave up a goal that quick.

    I don’t care about any f’in roster rotation excuses. You’re fighting for the 6% chance to survive, and you basically conceded immediately.

    The one time last night I saw Heaps be a coach was when he called a timeout. Oh wait, those don’t exist in this sport.

    The amount of people complaining about the refs is astounding. Outside of the Delamea card/PK, I thought every major call was correct. But at the end of the day, the Delamea call didn’t make a lick of difference except for losing him this weekend. Kouassi is just out of control. Not only did he stomp, he went back for a second bite of the cherry when the Atlanta player had the audacity to still try and play the ball.

    Embarrassing. Just embarrassing.

    I’ve never been more embarrassed by this organization, and considering the history (Joe Public anyone?) that’s saying something.

    And the sad part, nothing will change.
     
  14. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was responding to those who believed it was "ball to hand", and that his arms were in a natural position for someone making a tackle. 100% penalty.
     
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  15. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am amused to note that, at last check, the Revs had posted nothing on Facebook since the pregame lineup. No halftime update, no post game result, nothing. Maybe just an oversight, but I expect they're ducking the firestorm they would otherwise be receiving.
     
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  16. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's because they are too busy looking for parcels of land for the new stadium! Gotta have your priorities straight!
     
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  17. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Not to beat a dead and irrelevant horse, but just to show that there are significantly disparate views on the Delemea red, at all levels of soccer experience -



    Lot of debate in the replies. A good read. Especially for those of us who think we "know" the rules - there is room for lawyers to clean up the language, given the magnitude of the inconsistencies in the rule interpretations/guidance from FIFA and USSF and ref organizations.
     
  18. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it is not so much the PK and the letter of the law, but by sending him off so one team was now down by two men, trailing 2-0, soon to be 3-0 only a third of way into the game, Toldeo pretty much killed off any hope of having a competitive game. Sure, the home fans loved it, but if it was the other way around, it would have been a pretty miserable night for everyone other than the traveling party.

    Part of being a ref involves judgment, and at first it didn't even look like he was going to call a PK. That alone would have been enough of an error in judgment on Toledo's part. Did the VAR call for it to be reviewed? Other than the Atlanta players calling for it, why did he stop the game if he hadn't originally called it?
     
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  19. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lucky hunch.
     
  20. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He seemed to make it all about himself by slowly and deliberately waiting, then calling for it, then taking his time and finally calling the pk. It wasn't like the revs would have mounted much already down a man but his decision did basically put that game on ice.
     
  21. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
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  22. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Judgment? Baldemero Toledo, the guy who sent off Sharlie Joseph for picking up a ball to throw it in when Baldy had called the throw the other (wrong!) way is supposed to show judgment? Toledo and Unkel -- the blind leading the blind.
     

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