P/I/P: Rapids at Revs, 9/3

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  1. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's odd timing to honor Twellman 7 years after he retired. There's no rev HOF or anything in the stadium that highlights him or any of the other guys from that era.

    I wonder if it's related to Think Taylor?
     
  3. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    That's a part of it, yes.
     
  4. RevsLiverpool

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    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well - good. Even if it took partnering with his organization to honor him 7 years later, that's better than continuing to all but ignore one of the most prolific strikers in the league's history. Battling TBI is a great cause to grow awareness for and this is certainly better than the deafening silence by the org for the amazing rev careers of Shalrie, Ralston, Reis, etc.

    Regardless of the game result, I hope Twellman's org is successful in their awareness/fundraising goals.
     
  5. abecedarian

    abecedarian Member+

    Mar 25, 2009
    SSSomerville
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    United States
    This is a clash between a boring but successful team, and a boring and unsuccessful team. I predict it'll be boring.
     
  6. Doublecard

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    Exactly one year ago I met Taylor at a bartending event in Boston. He took time to talk with me about post-concussion symptoms and referred me to a local place in Acton where I could find treatment (I'd been previously planning on seeing a specialist in Chicago). I got hurt in '06, Twellman got hurt in '08, and retired in '09. I was misdiagnosed with anxiety, depression, ADD, insomnia, etc. in my first year of high school. I kept playing soccer. I wasn't aware my issues were concussion related until around 2012 (from a ThinkTaylor.org article).

    I didn't know anything about treatment. My doctor's didn't know anything about treatment. But Taylor Twellman did and it's a night and day difference from where I am now (been at it since October) compared to where I was then.

    Suffice to say, I am a big big fan of ThinkTaylor :thumbsup:. I also came home that night with a team signed autograph jersey from a raffle:whistling:.
     
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  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rapids will be down Howard, Gashi, Pappa, and Williams due to callups and Jones due to injury.
     
  8. mrt/MLS

    mrt/MLS Member

    Oct 11, 2003
    CT
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    damn, that's an amazing story (and sounds like a great night!) thanks for sharing.
     
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  9. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
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    United States
    So you have us right where you want us.
     
  10. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But Jones is healthy enough for Jurgen to call him up to the Nats... If you blocked out the names, I would think you were talking about one of the WNT. Cue rkupp to come in here and tell us how it's a good thing we didn't re-sign Jones because he's 1) always injured and 2) more committed to the Nats than to his club.
     
  11. RevsLiverpool

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    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    You're right about JJ. He is getting paid $650k this year by Colorado and has played just 703 minutes across 8 games with 3g and 2a.

    In fact doing some quick math, that works out to approximately $924.60/minute played
    $216,666/goal
    $325k/assist

    He's been out 11 of Colorado's last 12 games and missed over 2/3 of Colorado's season. Indeed, the last time he played was 7/4 vs Portland, a scoreless draw.

    The last time he scored or assisted was 5/7 vs RSL. This means those of us who predicted his body would break down and health would be a concern have shown to be right.

    That all said, the trade is still a win for Colorado because they had enough depth to plug and play without Jones (imagine that?). They are sitting pretty in a great position heading into the final games while the revs are at the botto vying for the wooden spoon.
     
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  12. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, and then when he comes back and the Pids go 7-0-1 to close out the season and win the Supporters Shield, he will say, "There is no way the Revs could have known he would do that."

    Jones has only played 8 games so far, but the Pids are undefeated (5-0-3) in those 8 games. They are 2-2-4 in the 8 games since he was injured on July 4th.
     
  13. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
    It always has been the "intangibles" with Jones. Even if he isn't playing, he makes the other players around him better. Remember last year when he came back from injury but wasn't yet match-fit? There was a lift to the team as a whole and they started to play better. We joke about "accountability," but he was the only one who seemed to hold players accountable. He was E.F. Hutton, when he spoke, people listened.

    One of the things I suggested when he was at the contractual impasse with us is to make him a player/coach, so we would still get value from him even if he wasn't playing. But I can see how that wouldn't have gone over well with Heaps. I think the bridges have been burned at this point, but since Jones is on a one-year deal with the Rapids, imagine if they canned Heaps and hired another ex-player for his first pro coaching gig? Hey, one of the prerequisites is that they have an established relationship, so that rules out pretty much every competent manager with proven success in the outside world...
     
  14. teskicks

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    Jan 14, 2002
    Wrentham, MA
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    United States
    This is not what I have heard. My understanding is that when he was not fit he was a cancer in the locker room an this was a big part of why he was not brought back.
     
  15. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Hmmm, I dunno. I know there were certain factions of the team who were his "boys," guys like Davies, but I know Nguyen didn't particularly care for him. But what I meant by "making other players better" was that they seemed to respond to his on-field directions and get a lot better results than they did without him there. Even if they thought he was a dickhead, they respected his knowledge and experience, and recognized when he said something, he was probably going to be right about it.

    Do they feel the same way when Heaps says something?
     
  16. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Not questioning, but just curious where this info comes from?

    I do remember when the team was in the usual losing streak and Jones came back while still rehabbing and called the team meeting. Then even when he was just training as he rehabbed here was a lift to the team.

    AJ Soares can thank Jones (not Heaps) for making him play better and simpler so he could get a move to Europe. ;)

    It was Jones that gave him an earful the first time Soares launched a long ball to no one in the first 5 minutes of Jones first game and out for a goal kick (which was a Soares trademark that he always did) when Jones was showing for the ball. After that, Soares never did it again and it helped Soares and the team play better.
     
  17. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    I've heard much more the opposite. In any locker room, not every single player will like every other, but he was well liked by the vast majority, and even those that didn't like him, respected his abilities (and his CV).

    The only real issue I've heard about was some jealousy due to $$.
     
  18. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Well, he is always injured and more committed to the Nats than to his club. I wonder if Colorado feel he's been value for the money?
     
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  19. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I'm waiting for the end of the season and then we can tally up what his contribution was.
    How then to explain the mediocrity down the stretch of the regular season and quick playoff exit last season when Jones came back at the end of the year? Where was that influence then?
    There is no denying that and it is sorely missed.
     
  20. rkupp

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    Jan 3, 2001
    FWIW, I'm predicting a win. Not much good reason to support it though (CR missing a bunch of players, a motivated Agudelo likely to start, ...). :unsure:
     
  21. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I added Knighton to my fantasy team. So, we can expect Shuttleworth to get the start here...
     
  22. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    #22 dncm, Sep 1, 2016
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    2 comments:

    1. Contract Negotiations clearly were making it clear to Jones that Revs were way off in how much they valued him to the organization (after pimping him out EVERYWHERE marketing, ads, etc). That is going to have an impact. I am guessing Jones knew someone would make an offer for him and that the Krafts were being cheap. [my personal opinion].

    2. Remember - it can't be all on Jones to save everything (like the Ballack reference I used once) - the coach and other players are part of this. But we snuck into the playoffs because of him down the stretch. That was the influence clearly.

    And in the DC game - Agudelo hits the bike and it is a close game. Had the PK been called - no guarantee Revs make it and no guarantee in ET or Pks, that the Revs advance. But it was that close - that's some influence and the record when he plays vs doesn't still holds true.

    BTW - people should go back to here and watch that amazing bicycle and then watch the highlights how much Jones is involved (be prepared to vomit when you see the Handball miss). It was Jones who made the effort at the end of the game to penetrate into the box to initiate receiving the pass that lead to the handball - right before then he got into the box during the run of play and got a header that almost scored - Hamid saved off the line. Clearly someone leading by example still - influence to the max. Just my opinion though.

    http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2015-10-28-dc-united-vs-new-england-revolution/recap
     
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  23. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    I find it interesting to think that the three biggest/best players over the last three years (Lee, JoGo and Jones), all had contract negotiation issues here, and all affected their play on the field in some way.

    Wonder how that continues to look around the league. Maybe more players saying they'd never play here would wake people up? Maybe?
     
  24. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    You really think star players don't expect contract negotiations to be a struggle? Players/agents typically want as much as they can get and teams/owners want to sign players for as little as possible. Other teams don't live in some alternate universe.
     
  25. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Last year I was very frustrated with all the time he was missing and was looking forward to him getting healthy to help us down the stretch. When he finally did come back for the stretch run, I thought his play was very ordinary - nothing like the player we saw in 2014. And that's the way I felt when last season ended, well before negotiations got stalled and it became clear he wouldn't be returning.
     

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