Overpopulation: A problem or not?

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  1. tfrunited

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    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018...h-warns-planet-cant-cope-with-overpopulation/

    https://www.familyplanning2020.org/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation

    Talking about overpopulation is still a taboo in some groups. I think it's an issue that needs to be taken seriously. Too many people will result in huge problems in every country in the world. Too much growth will result in global environmental, food, terrorism and poverty problems, which will also harm the richest countries. Most countries have total fertility rates which are just above or below replacement levels. Some countries also have too low birth rates, like Singapore. A very fast population decline will also result in problems. But the main problem is the population growth in the poorest countries.

    Countries with a total fertility rate of at least 4:

    1 Niger 5.9
    2 Mali 5.5
    3 Somalia 5.5
    4 Burundi 5.3
    5 South Sudan 4.9
    6 Uganda 4.9
    7 Angola 4.8
    8 Guinea 4.8
    9 Burkina Faso 4.7
    10 Nigeria 4.7
    11 Zambia 4.7
    12 Malawi 4.5
    13 Benin 4.4
    14 Afghanistan 4.2
    15 Liberia 4.2
    16 Mozambique 4.2
    17 Sierra Leone 4.2
    18 Timor-Leste 4.2
    19 Chad 4.1

    Most of these countries are already facing problems with too little fertile ground, a continued population boom will result in a huge increase in terrorism, famine, poverty and unemployment. Education, especially for women, and free contraception helped a lot of poor countries with a rapid increase in living standards. Kenya did a great job for example with taking its population growth problems seriously. In the 1970s, they had a TFR of 8 and now it's estimated to be 2.3. They became one of the highest developed African countries. I don't think people should be forced to have fewer children, which happened in many countries. It's a horrible way and not necessary. In countries with the highest birth rates, women often don't have the freedom to choose their amount of children, with social and religious pressure, lack of contraception and lack of education.

    What do you think, is overpopulation a problem or not? Should it be taken more seriously?
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Looks like an Africa problem.
     
  3. rslfanboy

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    tfr... Total Fertility Rate.

    oh dear.

    What's the solution? Forced sterilization?

    In before the ban!
     
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  4. superdave

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    Yeah, it’s a problem. But it’s 19 different problems; the US has little role unless those nations decide to address the issue.
    Why? He isn’t trolling or racist.
     
  5. rslfanboy

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    Not yet...

    I'm joking mostly.

    EDIT: I'll take it back. Just looked at other posts.
     
  6. xtomx

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    Well, it is a problem here in the US of A. Donald Trump declared that the US is "full" a couple of weeks ago.

    That should settle it.
     
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  7. tfrunited

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    Believe me, I hate racism. Talking about potential overpopulation problems has nothing to do with racism. Scientists warn that the current population growth in Africa is unsustainable. It’s not just Africa’s problem, Africa growing from 1 in 2000 to 4.4 billion people in 2100 will result in a huge amount of global problems. It seems things are changing in the right direction: https://www.intrahealth.org/vital/west-africa-finally-starting-embrace-family-planning
     
  8. song219

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    The silver lining to this problem is that in just about every nation that proceeds with economic development and starts to educate their girls in significant numbers experiences a drop in population growth rates. What's also in common in the list of 20 nations above besides high growth rates? All but 4 of them have had warfare sometimes significant in their nation within the past 20 years. I'm surprised the DRC is not on this list but it may not be stable enough to have good statistics of this type.
     
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  11. bigredfutbol

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    Yeah, in the link I posted above it's noted that by that point Africa will have a population near to Asia's.
     
  12. soccernutter

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    You are European, I take it, and are focusing on Africa because of the immigrants.
    Yet you leave out India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia? Why? Because they are too far down the list? Their population level is so high that even further down the list, they cause significant change, and India is about to become the most populous nation on the planet. But they have adopted a lot of "western" ideas on family planning, yet in India there is also a lot of abortions of female fetuses.

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/total-fertility-rate/
    DRC is 3
     
  13. tfrunited

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    India and Indonesia seem to have declining populations since a short period of time. Pakistan is very close to replacement levels. Here you can find several sources for fertility estimates:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

    Some sources tell the Democratic Republic of the Congo has a TFR around 6, some estimates tell 3.9. There's a huge difference between the major African cities and its rural, underdeveloped regions. Note that fertility figures can vary a lot, because of different research results for estimates. Also, 2016 and 2019 figures can change a lot. In Iran for example, TFR changed from 6 to 3 in just 10 years time.

    And ceezmad, yes I totally agree with you that empowering women and women's education are the most important to create stability. And I'm not afraid of immigration, but I'm concerned about suffering that can easily be prevented with the right help. Not fixing high birth rates in countries which are often already facing problems with a lack of fertile grounds to live from will only result in more poverty, more terrorism, more famine and so on.

    http://theconversation.com/niger-ha...te-and-that-may-be-a-recipe-for-unrest-108654

    https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-09-2018-global-hunger-continues-to-rise---new-un-report-says

    Scientists also say that a global population of 12 billion or 8 billion around 2100 will make a big difference for the environmental problems. The world doesn't seem to have the resources to provide a good life for 12 billion people. You can read more about it over here:

    https://sciencing.com/environmental-problems-due-population-growth-8337820.html
     
  14. rslfanboy

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  15. soccernutter

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    trf, you have lots of comments/links about the problem, but what about the solution?
     
  16. Dr. Wankler

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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Africa should visit Japan. Haven't 20 something's stopped f#cking altogether? Robots must be very advanced there now. :thumbsup:
     
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  20. roby

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    So....too many people and diminishing food sources. Charlton Heston "starred" in a movie about the solution. :thumbsup:
     
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  21. ceezmad

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    Congratulations all, we solved this problem is less than 1 page.
     
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Hang on there...

    Overpopulation Threads - A Problem or Not?
     
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  23. roby

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    Not!! :eek:

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  24. tfrunited

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  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Trump Charities is countering it with alcohol and Viagra. Where will he get workers if people stop having poor babies?
     

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