Sure I can agree with the overall predisposition to achieving a lack of results as seasons wear on at each of those clubs (not tanking, as that indicates purposefully losing which is ludicrous in this context) but that has no bearing on young players making individual mistakes that directly lead to goals. The blame should be focused more on offensive shortcomings.
Just watched the B̶v̶B̶2̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ Arsenal match... Our former players aren't very good there either. Sokratis was horrible with 2 quick yellows and out at the 35 while Arsenal were leading 1-0. They ended up losing 3-1. And poor Auba seemed to be missing the BvB Echte Lieb so much on the bench there. *** We should be scouting Renne young Sarr. He looked promising and very fast on the right wing in the game
I have been pining for Sarr for quite some time here aa he would be a direct Pulisic replacement while being a major upgrade as well. His skillset would fit perfectly at Dortmund.
Need Bayern to beat Liverpool and reach Champions League quarterfinals for the sake of the title fight and the Bundesliga's international standing. Cant have three English teams knocking all the German teams out.
We need Bayern to lose against Liverpool. Saying they will underperform in the league because of CL pressure shows you have not tuned into the BL in the last 7 years.
At this point whether Bayern overperform or underperform after getting knocked out doesn't matter, Dortmund need to first worry about winning all our remaining games in the Bundesliga to keep up, and need to get a win in Munich. It would make the league look second rate if all German teams got eliminated. Like Serie A.
Sure whatever you say. Bayern getting stronger makes us weaker. Juventus performance in the CL over the last 5 years has made it near impossible for Napoli or any direct competitor to catch up.
Bayern will get 800m from BMW. Champions League money is nothing compared to the sponsorships they get. Dortmund, Schalke and Italian clubs not getting further is what makes them weaker, they cannot blame Bayern and Juventus for going far. Only losers hope that other industry competitors representing their country on the global market fail to get ahead so that nobody else gets richer than them. When rivals in the same industry do well they spur competition, growth, innovation and investment.
That 800m is debatable, but it won’t be peanuts. I’m hoping the Roundel replaces that Qatar logo on our sleeves. [emoji2959]
Bundesliga teams were humiliated by the English teams. Germany's result in the world cup and the humiliation of all three teams are not a coincidence. Something is very wrong with German football. There is a real lack of quality in the Bundesliga.
Schalke will Schalke. Bayern were beaten by a clinical Liverpool that defended well. On the flip side we had no business losing to Spurs. That was humiliating and a terrible display at Wembley. I'm ecstatic that Bayern are out. We will split the TV pot but thanks to the new UEFA ranking system they'll take in more than us from the sponsorship stream. Matchday income difference is insignificant. If we stop looking at the Eggersteins of the world and focus on the Ziyechs of this world we will be a legitimate semi finals contender. Our biggest weakness is our management.
Phases like this aren't unusual but it's a curious and maybe telling aspect that besides the penalties and an own goal, the German teams didn't score. Is there more to that statistic? I don't think so. Bayern will be stronger next year and we'll hopefully continue to improve the team. But when so much money is pouring into the English league, the development isn't really surprising.
Which other German club's management would you have running BVB? Your favorite Bayern crooks? Please do not talk about foreign clubs with billionaire investors and no 50+1 like Atletico Chelsea and Juventus. Switch to Hoffenheim, they have a billionaire who knows his shit. The club's weakness is the Bundesliga's commercial and competitive standing relative to Italy Spain and England. It affects everything from viewership earnings, sponsorship, player retention, transfer fees and how attractive the league is to non German players like Ziyech. You have to be very naive to blame the management for not securing Ziyech, Piatek, Van Dijk, De Jong, De Ligt (I cannot remember which poster wanted us to buy them) etc etc when Italy Spain and England can offer more commercial exposure and higher salaries than Bundesliga. The German league markets itself as an attractive place for young players to kickstart their career, the challenge is to attract or retain established talent. If EPL money was pouring into Bundesliga, Ziyech Piatek De Jong De Ligt Salah would queue up at our doorstep.
The Bundeliga generated the second most revenue in Europe last season, 4.42 billion euros and Dortmund are ranked #12 on the club rich list with revenue of 317.2 million above Atletico and just behind Juve. There is no reason why the club should not expect to be competitive at the elite level.
Right, so our management options are limited to some of the worst and only in the BL. Juventus and Atletico, perhaps even Spurs have done great. Read into what they have accomplished since 2011 vs. what we have done. Nobody said anything about De Ligt and De Jong or even VVD. Piatek was bought for 35M, definitely something we can afford given that we shelled out 30M for Schurrle + 14M for Rode. And most of us over here knew they would be duds. Ziyech at 40M is a great deal. Sancho will leave once he becomes an established player and thats fine. I dont blame the management for that. But I am pissed that we waste so much money on absolute duds like Toprak, Castro, Schurrle etc. They command high salaries which bloats that budget for no reason. And about the BMW deal. Nothing is concrete. BMW will first have to buy out Audi's shares before they actually pay for sponsorship. If BMW sold something other than sports equipment, insurance or cars, this would be a different ball game altogether.
Do they need to abide by 50+1? Which part of "foreign clubs with billionaire investors" do you not understand? Won their league and finished CL runnerups like BVB. Tottenham spend nothing and sold their best players, if you were a fan you will complain about their lack of trophies until hell freezes over.
Neither of these club have owners actively pouring money into the club. In 2011 none of these clubs finished in the top 4. You're absolutely clueless. At least make a half hearted attempt to use Google.
On a lighter note, about a 100 or so Schalke fans had to not only endure a 7:0 schallacking at the hands of Man City but also endure the return trip home in the Eurowings plane with the BVB livery. http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/..._schalke-fans-mussten-bvb-flieger-nehmen.html
Read about scale advantage if you are not well versed in economics. The bigger a football club is, the greater the ability to generate higher sales and profits that can pay for current overheads and operating expenditure. Hoffenheim and Leipzig have billionaire owners who do not pour money into their clubs now, since they make bank playing in Europe, but poured a shedload in a decade ago when they first began investing in those clubs. You keep comparing BVB to clubs in Italy Spain and England as if 50+1 doesn't affect the club and German league's financial competitiveness. How did Leipzig and Hoffenheim start from practically zero (no stadium no license no fans) to achieve 6 to 7 back to back promotions to reach the top division, Europa League and Champions League? Did they abide by 50+1? Is that not strongly indicative that clubs that follow 50+1 are disadvantaged? Two clubs that used loopholes overtook other clubs like Kaiserslautern St Pauli Bochum that faithfully stuck to the 50+1 and accumulated years of hard work building >100k fanbases, building stadiums and building academies. Would Leipzig and Hoffenheim rocket up the German league system if not for the fact that they enjoy a sizeable advantage in flouting the 50+1 and adopting a non German ownership model (similar to Tottenham Atletico Juventus) unlike other German clubs, including Dortmund?
This is not true. German clubs are just terribly run. It's ironic you mentioned Van Dijk, because the management should be blamed for not getting him. I was mentioning how good he will be at Celtic and certainly during his early days at Southampton. The same with Mane. Liverpool, Tottenham and Dortmund were all on an equal footing.In fact Dortmund had the advantage and always beat the other two club to players like Gotze, Mkhitaryan and Dahoud. All three clubs failed to get Brandt. Tottenham and Liverpool just have better managers and bought better. Apart from Alison and Van Dijk, the entire Liverpool team could have been bought by Dortmund. Mane, Firmino, etc. I will hold my hands up and say I didn't want Firmino. The same with Tottenham. They have not spent huge at all, the whole team are either from the academy or cheap players they bought and developed. Money has nothing to do with it, because Tottenham have put all their money into a new stadium. Tottenham have not bought one single player, who would not have come to Dortmund and the rest are from the academy.
From the point of view of a ruthless capitalist or masochistic EPL fanboy (or maybe you're an EPL fan who never goes to matches and doesn't fleeced 60 pounds by Levy Kroenke Glazer Abramovich), German clubs are "terribly run" socialist structures compared to EPL clubs because they do not maximize profits from ticket prices at the expense of their customers. They are "terribly run" because they listen to the matchgoing fans and banned Monday night games, forsaking higher broadcast revenue. They are "terribly run" because the coach and players must interact with ultras and account for their results with the risk of fan violence. They are terribly run because they allow beer and standing terraces unlike the safe childfriendly sterilized EPL arenas. Have you considered that players have free will? That many players choose to move to Southampton or some middling EPL club over the Bundesliga early in their career in hope of catching the eye of a top EPL club? That many players dream of playing in EPL (or Italy and Spain if they are from South America due to language or ancestry) over other leagues because it is the most widely broadcast money league, no matter what our management tells them? Do you ever get tired of mentioning how good player XYZ is and how our management is blind for not seeing it. Talk is cheap, get into football management and show us what a maverick CEO you are then.
Stop with this ridiculous rubbish about the paradise of the match going experience. It's a great thing the Premier League teams reach out to local schools and gives them incredibly cheap tickets. I like a drink, but if you can't go 45 minutes without one then you ave a problem. I can't take you seriously, because Arsenal is an example of a bad run club. You know nothing of what you are speaking about and parrot rubbish, you have heard to make you feel better about the poor state of the Bundesliga clubs. It's no coincidence than Hoffenheim a well rub club, constantly punch above their weight and achieve something, but you will lap up everything you are served and cheer. DO you ever get tired of your self righteous, boring rubbish. I am genuinely shocked how ill informed you are constantly. If you were informed you would know players were choosing Dortmund over Tottenham and Liverpool as I mentioned. You have a real lack of knowledge about the Premier League, the state of the grounds or the teams who are well managed.
How did you come to support BVB if you abhor the badly-run clubs, beers (Im allegic to alcohol but no issue with others drinking) and German matchgoing culture? Really curious. Most English fans get into the Bundesliga cos they like the matchday experience. Germany "ave a beer problem" although they have not had stadium disasters like the English at Heysel and Hillsborough, Brexity logic lmao UK bingedrinks with less decorum. So isnt it better Bundesliga teams reach out to all locals not just schools and give them incredibly cheap tickets instead of milking fans thousands of pounds for a season ticket?