Orange, the rebuild starts now

At least you guys won 50%, lol

 

What a terrible final by the way. Both teams were awful. Champions league final was shit, this final was shit. Amazingly low quality. Oranje had some nice possession + nice touches and Frenkie played his role as "spelverdeler" perfectly.... but he just isn't the guy to make the final pass and we so clearly don't have that guy. Too bad there isn't a player, born and raised in the Netherlands, who wanted to play for the Netherlands, with exactly those qualities...........

 

The game was not his fault. The Dutch clearly didn't deserve to win this one. But Cillessen is not a great keeper. I've seen too many goals go through him. Goaltending is a weak spot for the Dutch right now. Same with wingers

 

I dont agree with him that he's a trash goalie, but he really shouldve saved that shot though

 

Referee Mallenco was a disgrace by the way. No, oranje did not deserve to win but he robbed us from two or three penalties and somehow the replay/VAR did not care either. But it was a clear handball nonetheless.
Mallenco has so often helped Cristiano and Real Madrid, also this time.

 

He can start or stop a request no?

 

Trash is a bit harsh. Heat of the moment so I take that back. But Cillessen is not a goalie I have a ton of faith in. He is a fine backup but shouldn't be the Oranje number 1 but there aren't many choices. Just like that game against France a few years ago where it went through his hands. Yes they are hard shots but a top keeper pushes that aside

 

Van De Beek and Promes need to play from the beginning. Then you can bring Stengs or Groeneveld btw. De Roon not a bad game but so slow. Bergwijn is still not ready for Orange unfortunately. Let's introduce more youngsters little by little since we seems to be full of them. I'll take Malen any day with his speed. We need more unpredictability in our movements in the final third. Btw we also need another RB. Dumfries is a hard worker but not top class. Memphis was awful too imo. We need so bad Ziyech lol. It's sad.

 

Van Hooijdonk my friend, please get a haircut

 

I think there's a lot to complain about in this game, but the truth is simply that the team was terrible. Everyone except for Van Dijk, Blind and Wijnaldum played like shit. Depay, Promes, Bergwijn, Babel all couldn't land a single cross. So many open crosses with strong headers inside and they NEVER hit their target. We showed some nifty passes and possession but all of that is useless if you can't hit the open man.

Portugal didn't play well, but we played even worse. Deserved win for Portugal, not because they were good but because we were terrible. That's the simple truth. Congrats to Portugal, fortunately this wasn't an EC or WC, hope the team learns from this, Koeman learns from this, and that some of our attacking talents step up big.

 

It's ridiculous how intensely Ziyech is the missing link to this team. With Ziyech, we could be the even better version of Ajax this year. The possession is there, the passes are there, the build-up is there.... but no end product.

I agree with you that Bergwijn needs to be dropped and Babel. Kluivert, Stengs and Malen should all get a run. Groeneveld and Dilrosun also if they return well from injury.

 

Whatever happened to Karsdorp? I really liked him as an attacking RB a few years ago

 

Ha Portugal didnt play well eh? 18 shots to your 4, and 10 corners. They played very good, they just came up against two CBS and couldnt create great chances. That's because you guys have great CBS. Portugal was the better team today because they have better attacking talent. That's all that's missing from this Dutch team, some quality forwards and probably some more quality fullbacks.

 

I thought both teams were quite poor today. You guys just sucked a little less than we did

 

You were the better team for all but the last 30 minutes of the game, that's for sure. But I definitely don't think you played well. Sure if you look at it that way you had lots of shots, but the shot count is extremely flattering, very few legitimate chances. If you were to name the legitimate high goalscoring chances, there were very few and I don't think Portugal had more than Holland. Deserved win, you guys were the better team and played to your strengths. This is exactly the type of win I expect from Portugal and as the Dutch commentators said, if they had written a realistic article about how the game would go before the game started, it would have been exactly this. A bit of a stifled game, no real creativity and a 1-0 win for Portugal. Once again, deserved winners, but you can't tell me it was a good game can you? I can't help but feel that our lack of legitimate chances had more to do with our attack being absolutely shit than your defense necessarily being a wall. There were more than enough openings, but with every cross flying aimlessly over it didn't amount to anything.

 

Is there no chance of getting Robben back for 12 - 18 months ??

 

No I definitely don't think Kluivert is ready. Neither is Stengs, neither is Groeneveld, neither is Malen. But definitely neither is Bergwijn. That's the point, we have no other options so we are forced to try it with players who maybe aren't ready yet, but at least have some potential. We don't have the luxury of the last generation where you had amazing attackers in the starting lineup and 'potential' players like Afellay, Elia and Depay could slowly be tested. Those 'potential' players now need to be given way more responsibility and importance than preferred because we have no one.

So in conclusion I don't think trying Stengs, Kluivert, Groeneveld or Malen is necessarily worse than what we have now. And if it is, i'm doubtful it will be a significant step back and we can always switch it up. It's worth trying.