Orange, the rebuild starts now

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 19, 2018

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Everything I feared and hoped for. Defensive lapses contributed to the two conceded goals. Too casual, not enough pressing and intensity. Koeman must have been furious. Van Dijk and De Ligt seemed surprised to contain the German attackers moved a lot (Sane in particular looked really lively). It’s almost like they haven’t moved on from the previous game.

Counter-attacks were not as crisp as it could have been. Memphis reverted to his old self... trying to be cute and do too much. Babel and Wijnaldum were way too invisible. Thankfully Frankie and De Roon made up for a lot of the loose balls.

And then, the hard-fought goals inside the last ten minutes. Kudos for not giving up. Van Dijk stole a playbook from Ruud van Goal’s finishing... turning and twisting his wide body while unleashing venom in the shot.

Other notes... Tete is a huge drop off from Dumfries. He looked flat and rusty, no energy - and some of his positioning plays were awful. I actually like Promes (slightly) better than Bergwijn. He has more flair and, as the goal proved, he knew how to finish. I am slowly becoming a fan of De Roon. He is a true, tireless blue-collar worker... keep his head down and keep chugging along.
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Think the France match was a real energy drainer.
Still an achievement to get the Germans tired with that slow pace to hit them in the last ten minutes.

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 19, 2018

Not that this means much, but:

Frenkie de Jong’s passing vs. Germany in the first 45 minutes:

43 passes
43 passes completed
100% passing accuracy
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feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 19, 2018

Interesting analysis:https://www.bavarianfootballworks.c...ecap-serge-gnabry-toni-kroos-matthijs-de-ligt

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 19, 2018

Whoa,
https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/van-dijk-troost-rouwende-arbiter~adfff99b/
Van Dijk troost rouwende arbiter

Na zijn late gelijkmaker tegen Duitsland (2-2) had Virgil van Dijk ook oog voor de rouwende scheidsrechter Ovidiu Hategan. De Roemeen verloor volgens de Oranje-captain onlangs zijn moeder.

Sportredactie 20-11-18, 00:22 Laatste update: 00:24

De Liverpool-verdediger troostte Hategan na de wedstrijd. ,,Hij brak in tranen uit. Ik heb hem sterkte gewenst en gezegd dat hij goed had gefloten. Het is iets kleins dat ik kan zeggen”, aldus Van Dijk tegenover FOX Sports.

BaritoPutra · Nov 19, 2018

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Whoa,
https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/van-dijk-troost-rouwende-arbiter~adfff99b/
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Classy Captain... 'nuff said.

BaritoPutra · Nov 19, 2018

feyenoordsoccerfan said: ↑

Interesting analysis:https://www.bavarianfootballworks.c...ecap-serge-gnabry-toni-kroos-matthijs-de-ligt
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Why did they single out De Ligt..? It's, after all, an analysis about German NT

bunbohue · Nov 19, 2018

I just watch some highlights. Just like the first match, Germany wasted many chances that could have put the game away. We did not deserve the 3 points today but definitely the 1 point for determination. What a comeback! We are far ahead in the rebuild than I thought. It looks like Portugal will host (am I right?). If that is true, it is better to draw against England or Switzerland for SF. Who could have thought that France, Belgium, Croatia, Germany and Italy (maybe not) did not make it but England and 3 small nations of Netherlands, Portugal and Switzerland?

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 19, 2018

I've been most impressed with the Swiss so far

BaritoPutra · Nov 19, 2018

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Cillessen did not get a touch on that first goal, and perhaps he arguably should have.

The 2nd goal he had no chance on as it was deflected
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The first goal was save-able... Looked like Cillessen was caught off guard, and a split second off in timing his stretch. Definitely could have done better. The second goal was always difficult, deflection indeed made it tricky.

Nevertheless, we need Cillessen plays week-in and week-out. He should force for a loan this winter break, if he can't transfer out. It's unthinkable that the no. 1 GK in one of the top national teams is a bench-warmer at a club level.

2nd_striker · Nov 20, 2018

In terms of the finals would have to say that portugal as hosts are favourites (with Ronaldo back) closely followed by England (due to their pace all over the pitch but weak midfield) but we do have a decent chance over there

Brilliant Dutch · Nov 20, 2018

Here is the note that put vDijk up top as striker. It wasnt Koeman, it was vWonderen who wrote it.

Foreign media has called it a masterpiece move

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

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Foreign media has called it a masterpiece move
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They go ovrer the moon with that kind of things. Remember they practically dedicated football tv shows to van Gaal subbing in another goalie for the penalty shoot out.

Orange14 · Nov 20, 2018

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They go ovrer the moon with that kind of things. Remember they practically dedicated football tv shows to van Gaal subbing in another goalie for the penalty shoot out.
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quite right. This is common strategy in big games where a goal is needed at the end of the match. Frank de Boer frequently moved van der Hoorn up front late in matches in a similar strategy. Koeman's move was obvious. Let's not forget that it was Vilhena's excellent cross to the middle that made the final goal possible.

Orange14 · Nov 20, 2018

ESPN has nice highlights of the goals from yesterday. I've looked at the two German goals. On the first goal Werner is just in too much open space and it was really a great pass from Gnabery that put him in. Cillessen takes a half step to his left which left him short when he tried to dive to the right to make the save. It looke like de Ligt was too far over to the right and he should have been closer to Werner where he might have had a chance to intervene.

On the second goal there were two great plays, the pass from Kroos and then Sane's effort in bringing the ball down and spinning around de Ligt for the shot. We don't know if Cillessen saves the shot if it does not deflect off Tete. Teams often try to go over the top and usually do not succeed as defenders are close to the forward. In this case Sane was between Tete and de Ligt and neither were close enough to interfere with the pass. This was a great offensive play but probably de Ligt should have been a little more to the right.

As I noted previously the match with France on Friday took a lot out of the team and maybe with an additional day of rest they would have been able to pressure the ball in the same way they did in the previous match. It's difficult to expect a team to play at a high level against top flight opponents with only two days of rest.

the Nations League final round should be interesting with two surprise teams, the Swiss and the Dutch. Maybe England are the favorites but any of the four can win it.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

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It's difficult to expect a team to play at a high level against top flight opponents with only two days of rest.
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The Germans had an extra day rest. It is amazing we did get them tired with our slow 80 minutes game. Particularly Sane, who's in a high octane EPL, had to be taken out as he was from about minute 60 drained. How did he manage to get so tired in that geriatric paced 60 minutes?

Orange14 · Nov 20, 2018

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The Germans had an extra day rest. It is amazing we did get them tired with our slow 80 minutes game. Particularly Sane, who's in a high octane EPL, had to be taken out as he was from about minute 60 drained. How did he manage to get so tired in that geriatric paced 60 minutes?
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Good question. It's not like Germany was using a high press. The forwards only occasionally tried to pressure the back four preferring to drop to the mid line and clog the MF with the three forwards and two MFs. This was a problem that Koeman's team did not solve and one can expect teams capable of playing a 3-4-3 to use this type of formation in the future (but only if they have two good wingbacks as it doesn't work without them).

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

A German explained that when Gnaby or however his name is, was taken off, Sane was useless. He wasnot tired, but had no clue what to do.

Orange14 · Nov 20, 2018

Astute analysis of the match: https://betweentheposts.net/germany-netherlands-2-2-koeman-low-frenkie-tactics/

Good analysis of Frenkie: https://www.optasportspro.com/about/optapro-blog/posts/2018/blog-de-jong-on-song/mbuBlogsyPost

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

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This was a problem that Koeman's team did not solve and one can expect teams capable of playing a 3-4-3 to use this type of formation in the future (but only if they have two good wingbacks as it doesn't work without them).
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See also the analysis from the article I posted.
I think the real problem was we didnot have Dumfries to bulldozer up and down the right flank. It was there the Germans unfolded most of their dangerous activities as Tete wasnot a threat to be more carefull on that side.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

Orange14 said: ↑

Astute analysis of the match: https://betweentheposts.net/germany-netherlands-2-2-koeman-low-frenkie-tactics/

Good analysis of Frenkie: https://www.optasportspro.com/about/optapro-blog/posts/2018/blog-de-jong-on-song/mbuBlogsyPost
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Nice addition to my posted article.
The main concern that caused the German dominance was that Löw understood very well that Tete was the weak point.
I think it would have been solved better by playing 3-4-3 with Vilhena extra in the midfield instead of Tete.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

De Roon is called "the wave breaker" by Atalanta fans.
Now we know why.

bunbohue · Nov 20, 2018

The draw takes place in Dublin at 14:30CET on Monday 3 December.
5 June: Semi-final 1
6 June: Semi-final 2
9 June: Third-place play-off
9 June: Final
I hope we have the full strength squad for this 4 days in June and draw avoid the host for SF 1.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Nov 20, 2018

Voetbal International's ratings:
VI-RAPPORT ORANJE TEGEN DUITSLAND

Speler Cijfer
Jasper Cillessen 5
Kenny Tete 4
Matthijs de Ligt 6
Virgil van Dijk 6,5
Daley Blind 4,5
Marten de Roon 6
Frenkie de Jong 6
Georginio Wijnaldum 5
Quincy Promes 5
Memphis Depay 5
Ryan Babel 5

Gilbertsson · Nov 20, 2018

What do you think about the match Germany - Netherlands 2-2.
Do you think that Germany prefers more Netherlands in the final four, than France.
Both consider France as their historic enemy, situation in Belgium, divided Dutch and French people.
Germany played well, but after their second goal, they vanished and step by step the Netherlands scored two goals in five minutes.
Nice to see Netherlands back, I would like that you win this first edition, since you never had luck at World Cups.

BaritoPutra · Nov 20, 2018

Euro 2020 pot confirmed. Germany dropped to Pot 2, that means Oranje could be drawn with them again. That scenario, plus Turkey/Ireland and Hungary/Romania from pots 3 and 4, respectively would set up a somewhat "hellish" group. But not that Koeman and the boys couldn't handle it…

UEFA Nations League pot (4): Switzerland*, Portugal*, Netherlands*, England*

Pot 1 (6): Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Poland

Pot 2 (10): Germany, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina*, Ukraine*, Denmark*, Sweden*, Russia, Austria, Wales, Czech Republic

Pot 3 (10): Slovakia, Turkey, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland*, Norway*, Serbia*, Finland*, Bulgaria, Israel

Pot 4 (10): Hungary, Romania, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Cyprus, Estonia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Georgia*

Pot 5 (10): FYR Macedonia*, Kosovo*, Belarus*, Luxembourg, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands

Pot 6 (5): Latvia, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Malta, San Marino