One-Time Switches In/Out of USA Setup

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by BostonRed, May 16, 2013.

  1. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    We have a bunch of fans who recognize that playing for the US must incredibly frustrating for players of Pulisic’s caliber because the rest of the pool basically is fantastically terrible.
     
  2. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Well, do tell. Who is fantastic? Perhaps I’m just more jaded. The US hasn’t looked decent in years. I am quite curious who you think is so fabulous.
     
  3. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    Don't worry. You're not alone. Being jaded is the new "cool."
     
  4. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    In other words, you don’t have any names to put in who aren’t terrible. Maybe Bradley and Altidore? Yedlin? Wood?

    Except Adams, none of them are remotely in Pulisic’s league, literally.
     
  5. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  7. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't want to be on that team right now...
     
  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously, this potential one-time switch out is the current topic of conversation:

     
  9. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some proposed changes that allow a player to "switch back" if the new NT never plays them in any competitive or friendly matches. I don't think Aaron Maund would be eligible to change back to T&T since he played in a U20 WC, but Edwin Lara might be. It doesn't seem to specify if the match is only at the NT level, so almost any youth friendly after the switch would prevent them from returning.

    https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/gv5axxtvu2aydszqfiw6.pdf
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jens Cajuste is considering a one-time switch *if* he is eligible:

     
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  11. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know nothing about this guy. Anyone have insight other than he plays CM/DM
     
  12. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
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  13. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm almost thinking this is a trial balloon to determine if Antonee Robinson is eligible as well. If FIFA approves it, then it confirms that Antonee (who also is the child of a naturalized citizen with no parents/grandparents born in the US & never lived in the US) is likely eligible. If they turn it down, then we have an answer without risking a forfeit in a competitive match.
     
  14. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    I've never heard any speculation that Robinson is not eligible for the USA.

    I was wondering if Cajuste was provisionally cap tied by Sweden in a U20WC qualifier or something, but with the new rules, he can come to a friendly and check out the USA and switch back to Sweden if he wants.

    Maybe it is the size and the 'fro, but he reminds me of Witsel in those clips.
     
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think the USSF have probably done their due diligence on Robinson already.
    But what do I know?

    The difference between Robinson and Dest to me...............is semantics.
    That's just me, though. Dest's father was born in New York. Robinson's father was naturalized while living in New York. But I know this is FIFA eligibility we're talking about here, and not citizenship.

    Both were US eligible from the day they were born.

    But anyway, the difference between these cases and Cajuste is that they didn't need to make the one-time switch. FIFA probably goes thru those with a finer-toothed comb.
     
  16. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Robinson's grand-mother was born in the USA.

    Canuste seems different because none of his relatives, many who are citizens, weren't actually born here.
     
  17. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be new information. Actually, I don't think she was, but you are probably referring to this:

    From one article:
    Born in Milton Keyes, England, Robinson’s grandmother established the family’s U.S. citizenship by way of her residency in White Plains, N.Y. His father, Marlon, grew up in the Empire State and went on to play collegiate soccer at Duke University. In 1982, he helped the Blue Devils to the NCAA Final and is still an avid fan of the school’s vaunted basketball program.

    From another:
    How did Robinson come to be eligible for the United States? His England-born father Marlon moved to the United States during his childhood, living there nine years and going on to play college soccer at Duke University.
     
  18. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember, it's USSF that told Cajuste that he wasn't eligible for the US with pretty much the same circumstances as Robinson as it relates to FIFA eligibility rules.
     
  19. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Had not seen him before but he looks like a stronger, more dynamic Busio. So, top notch. I can see why Berhalter is chasing him.
     
  20. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Well, there are new rule out since then.
     
  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And they didn't change the provisions in question, other than to increase the "2 years of residency" up to "5 years."
     
  22. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    or even a more technical/tidy version of Brayang Kayo.

    Good. It creates a more competitive environment, so everybody needs to be on their A game throughout their careers and not settle for mediocracy and "who they know" in ussoccer.
     
  23. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Well yes, but the interpretation of the rules have been clairified:

    The new Regulations are anchored on the following key principles: (i) "no nationality, no eligibility": the eligibility of players to play for a specific member association must be based on objective measurements (i.e. their national citizenship); (ii) equal treatment of all member associations; (iii) the existence of a genuine link between the player and the member association they (intend to) represent; (iv) avoidance of cases of excessive severity or hardship; (v) prevention of abuse (e.g. of so-called "nationality shopping"); and (vi) the protection of the sporting integrity of international competitions.

    There's been a lot of noise lately about how many relatives Cajuste has in NY. So "genuine link"
     
  24. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not really documented in the rules, but let's see how this plays out.
     
  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
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