Official Pablo (as coach) thread

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by ~F8~, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. Rod1916

    Rod1916 Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I am not a huge fan of ex-players stepping straight into coaching at the MLS level. Some will make good coaches, but I would prefer them to learn and come up the ranks rather than be gifted a MLS job based on name. Weed them out at the lower levels.

    So, it really becomes finding good coaches who have proven themselves. If they happen to be ex-MLSers, then great. But the main point is that they have proven themselves elsewhere. MLS is the top tier US league after all. :)

    rod.
     
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  2. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would like to see Brian Mullan work his way up for a shot, heck his wife can be an assistant.
     
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  3. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am wondering with the RFO getting overhauled this last 7 months, will it offer the opportunity to remove PM? Granted we all know KSE doesn't want to can anyone under contract, but I am a bit hopeful as I can be given long term Rapids follower.
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

    1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.7059
    2. 1999 - Mooch - 1.59375
    3. 2010 - Smith - 1.5333
    4. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.5
    4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
    6. 2011 - Smith - 1.4412
    7. 1998 - Mooch - 1.4375
    8. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.40625
    9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
    10. 2009 - Smith - 1.3333*
    11. 1997 - Mooch - 1.28125
    11. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
    13. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.267
    13. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
    15. 2000 - Mooch - 1.1875
    16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
    17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
    17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
    19. 2017 - Mastroeni - 1.0556
    20. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 1.03125*
    21. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
    22. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.923*


    All-Time Overall:

    1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
    2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
    3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
    3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
    5. Mastroeni - 120 Games - 1.21
    6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
    7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
    8. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

    Playoff series records:

    1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
    2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
    3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
    4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
    5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
    6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
    7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A
     
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  5. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm really hoping we get some management with more actual soccer knowledge than Hinchey. He talked a big game with his Derby County bullshit, but it's pretty obvious that he had no idea how to produce a decent product on the field. With one hand he'd cling to coaching/technical staff that failed with intensity, and with the other hand quickly shove people that found some success out the door.

    Without more competent management, we won't be able to fix the coaching issue. When we can't fix the coaching issue, we won't be able to fix the roster issues.

    The Rapids are bad because of a combination of both inadequate players and coaching. However, I'm a firm believer that our player talent can't be accurately judged when the coaching is so poor. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a number of our players could perform better under more competent coaching.
     
  6. Sports Yak

    Sports Yak Member+

    Jul 17, 2007
    Lakewood
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    It all seems so haphazard too. For example, after last year's success that was built on defense and a world class goaltender, you'd think the FO would say, "We're going to keep a strong defense and tinker with the offence." So they go trade Burch on the backline with no real replacement.

    Even with the signing window coming up, I always get the feeling like it's, "Hey, he looks pretty good; let's sign him and see what happens." I know a lot of us complained about Clavijo, but at least I felt like there was a plan.
     
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  7. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
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  9. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something has to change, because what is being done isn't working. The MLS has moved well down the road from where the Rapids are languishing, and the Rapids are gradually becoming the league's perpetual doormat.*

    Virtually all of the expansion franchises are ahead of the Rapids in attendance, atmosphere, quality, and in the table. This isn't lost on players from other countries eyeing the MLS. The MLS single entity rule gives international players substantial leverage in selecting where they will play. They see large crowds singing, chanting, cheering and watching entertaining soccer in Atlanta, increasingly in Minnesota, Orlando, NYCFC, Portland, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, and (yes) Seattle, and in older league franchise cities like Kansas City, Columbus, and D.C. Then they watch MLS Live and see USL level talent going through the motions in another dreadful match in Dick's Tomb. They realize this franchise is owned by the worst owner in U.S. sports, and that he's all about real estate development and nothing about successful franchises. Why would any quality player want to come here? (For that matter, does anybody think Tim Howard is happy playing for this mess of a team? Or that he hasn't wondered what life would be like playing for a team that cares?)

    The next expansion teams will begin their existence ahead of the Rapids, too. LAFC will start with large crowds, quality players, strong ownership, a new stadium, much fanfare, and a much higher profile. Yes, it is L.A. and there's that. But the next expansion teams are very likely to be two other small-market cities, increasingly looking like Nashville and Sacramento. Any bets they also start well ahead of the Rapids?

    Coaching is a weak link. That is obvious from the bizarre players-out-of-position lineups, puzzling use of subs, lack of cohesive attack, poor fundamentals and aura of indifference. That said, the team does lack talent and no coach can make USL talent compete with the current MLS talent pool. The owner and RFO are incompetent, and the former won't change and the latter will reflect the former. Yes, that paints a hopeless picture, but it's what the Rapids are and where they will remain under Kroenke. There simply is no point in changing coaches until things upstream from the coach change. It's all deck chairs on the Titanic.

    Back to the beginning. Something has to change, because what is being done isn't working. Unfortunately, that something is the ownership, and it won't change. Neither will the results or the future of the franchise. Sorry, but it is that bleak.

    JMHO

    *Yes, I know how well the team performed in 2016. Given the consistently awful performances of 2014, 2015, and 2017, it is becoming apparent that 2016 was the aberration.
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, and no. You're right. This team is never going to compete for the Shield and in attendance if the ownership doesn't change. But we could be a playoff team even with KSE's lack of interest and funds if they would hire a competent person to replace Hinchey.
     
  11. jimijam28

    jimijam28 Member+

    Nov 9, 2010
    Denver area
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i dont think its that bleak- - it dont take much to jump the standing in this league -
     
  12. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    If they did relegation Liga MX style, though over 4 years instead of 3:

    Code:
    Team   Pts/G
    FCD    1.71
    NYR    1.60
    ATL    1.58
    LAG    1.55
    SEA    1.55
    TFC    1.50
    SKC    1.47
    DCU    1.44
    NYC    1.43
    POR    1.42
    VAN    1.39
    CLB    1.39
    NER    1.38
    RSL    1.34
    ORL    1.33
    MON    1.22
    COL    1.22
    PHL    1.20
    HOU    1.18
    SJE    1.17
    CHI    1.12
    MIN    0.95
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And look who's coaching the team at the top of that list....
     
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  14. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    Belongs in the "Former Rapids ..." thread? Karma would be for him to resign from Dallas based on a bigger League's offer (e.g. MX, South America, or somewhere in Europe) and then have them not sign him ... 'oh we decided to keep our manager after all'.
     
  15. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Part of what really frustrates me is that the Kroenke regime has lowered expectations to "can the Rapids make the playoffs?" As the MLS continues to expand, the Rapids are pushed down the table by the success of the expansion teams. Unless the MLS expands the participation trophy playoff slots every time the league expands, the Rapids' path to the playoffs becomes more difficult. The addition of LAFC in 2018 and likely Sacramento in 2019 could squeeze the Rapids out of playoff contention for some time unless something changes with the Rapids. That's the scenario I see as the Rapids' iceberg.
     
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  16. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree that we've defintely had rebaselined expectations since 2010. However, the overall parity in MLS makes a long-term slump unlikely (look at us last season and Chicago this season). Just crap that we have to live in a KSE market.
     
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  17. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am amused at least ;)

    http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the9...mls-coach-and-his-roman-emperor-doppelganger/

    Pablo Mastroeni (Colorado Rapids): Claudius
    Legend has it that Claudius – stammering, incoherent Claudius – was cowering behind some blinds when the praetorian guard pulled him out and named him emperor when Caligula was murdered. Claudius was mostly considered an idiot by his peers, but he turned out to be a surprisingly competent organizer of government and a pretty good dude at the end of the day. In essence, he was everything his critics supposed he wasn’t (but he was still pretty slow). I see a fair amount of Claudius in Pablo: neither lit their professions on fire, neither are considered an all-time great or an all-time failure, and both managed to defy critics to some degree. So. There’s that I guess?
     
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  18. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    Not seeing the resemblance to Claidius (written or image):

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    However:

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  19. Sports Yak

    Sports Yak Member+

    Jul 17, 2007
    Lakewood
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    From today's Denver Post: “There’s got to be more bravery and a change of pace,” head coach Pablo Mastroeni said. “I feel that too often our build-up pace is the same as it is in the final third (of the field). Going against teams that are set up pretty well defending the area, we’ve got to find ways, as a group, to really change the speed and mentality.”

    And everyone on this board slaps bottom of hand against foreheads, "Why we didn't we think of that?"
     
  20. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh no. Not that "bravery" stuff again.

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  21. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    I've decided that I am now on the #PabloOut train. He's not getting better. I am against Coaches-For-Life, and am waaaaay against it in this case considering he will never win anything. RFO please move on. Find a difference maker and tie the job to success.
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

    1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.7059
    2. 1999 - Mooch - 1.59375
    3. 2010 - Smith - 1.5333
    4. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.5
    4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
    6. 2011 - Smith - 1.4412
    7. 1998 - Mooch - 1.4375
    8. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.40625
    9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
    10. 2009 - Smith - 1.3333*
    11. 1997 - Mooch - 1.28125
    11. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
    13. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.267
    13. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
    15. 2000 - Mooch - 1.1875
    16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
    17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
    17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
    19. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 1.03125*
    20. 2017 - Mastroeni - 1.0
    21. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
    22. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.923*


    All-Time Overall:

    1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
    2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
    3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
    3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
    5. Mastroeni - 124 Games - 1.20
    6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
    7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
    8. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

    Playoff series records:

    1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
    2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
    3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
    4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
    5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
    6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
    7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
    7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A
     
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  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4 of the last 6 seasons have been 4 of the 6 worst seasons in Rapids history (assuming nothing changes this season, which it likely won't).
     
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  24. zapem_10

    zapem_10 Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So barring a miraculous string of luck where tight results break your way Pablo is a 1pt/game coach. That's about good for 9th or 10th place in the west every year.
     
  25. wormhole

    wormhole Member

    Mar 25, 2009
    Westminster, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my mind, the Rapids need to clean sweep the entire Soccer Technical staff excepting the youth development team.
     
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