Official 2017 J. League Transfers and Rumors thread

HAha lol sorry. Now I know

 

If Inui plays in a Liga team, Nakajima certainly can eventually.

 

Lol, I know you don't like Inui, but you are now comparing one of the best offensive players Japan have ever produced with a guy that even struggles to get regular playing time at a mid-table J1-club...

And no point to talk about age. Nakajima is 22, and by that age Inui had already scored 30 goals across J1 and J2, for better clubs than Nakajima have played for. He certainly got potential, but he's so far showed absolutely nothing that indicates he is the next big thing. And how long are we supposed to wait for his breakthrough...?

Inui runs circles around Nakajima.

 

Nakajima is more talented so if he ever reaches his potential, and he can, he'll be a better player. It's as simple as that. Inui has had a good career but nothing outstanding, it's not a large wall to jump over.

 

This is ludacris. One year ago he couldn't even score in J2.
Good for him, anyway.

 

More talented? Based on what?

And I can't really understand why you are saying that it is not a "large wall to jump over" . How many Japanese players have done better than Inui at the World Stage so far? It cant be much more than 10-12, which puts him right among some of the most successful Japanese players in Europe ever. And that's a fact even you can't overlook, although your hate/disgust towards Inui seems extremely strong based on your comments. Atleast if playing in a top division in Europe is anything to measure it by. He's also one of very few who have managed to be relatively successful in more than 1 top European league. Obviously there is a gap up to the likes of Kagawa and Okazaki, but honestly, how many are there that have done better ?

Let's make a list:
Okazaki
Kagawa
Nagatomo
Hasebe
Uchida
Honda
Nakamura
Nakata
Haraguchi
Osako
Ono
(I probably forgot a couple of players now, but that can't be many)

Then you have others who have seen or saw regular playing time, but so far have not been more successful like:

Yoshida
Muto
Takahara
Sakai x2
Inamoto (to some extent)
etc

And also the up and coming players playing for smaller clubs / smaller leagues like:
Kubo
Minamino
Doan
etc

But those players are in most cases playing in leagues/teams of a lower or same quality than J.League anyway, so having been successful only there means very little in the big picture. Not unless they make it to a bigger league and show they can deliver there as well.

So if it was such an easy wall to jump over, why are there not more who have done it?

And to even put Nakajima in this mix when as mentioned earlier he hasn't showed anything that suggests he can even be a top player in J.League is ludicrous. He is even smaller than Inui, and was bullied off the ball way too easily even in J2. His technical skillls might be slightly better, but his understanding of the game, passing skills etc is so far waay behind Inui or other comparable players.

He is already 22. And for how much longer can we really call him a "talent"? With that logic, Morimoto can also still be called a talent then. Cause I guess we are still waiting for his breakthrough as well, aren't we?

But of course, things can change fast, like with Sugimoto this season. He's been awful for several seasons in a row now, but suddenly this year started to score goals.

If, and that's a big if, Nakajima were to make a similar change over the next 1-2 seasons then maybe you could be right about him, but for now it seems much more likely that he will at best end up at a mid-level J1 club.

 

My observations.

 

Last year in J2 Sugimoto already had an excellent season.

 

Ideguchi is linked with Leeds United.

 

I really think he's too light to face English football.

 

Hence, 2nd Division might be good for him to adapt first.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.york...s-united-target-yosuke-ideguchi-1-8747456/amp

 

Ideguchi might be loaned to Deportivo Leonesa first if he goes to Leeds.

 

If he goes to the World Cup ... Kiyotake, Kanazaki, Kashiwagi etc all felt pretty good about it at some point.