ODP VS Academy

As far as 95 Boys are concerned, ODP won by a landslide!!!

Why? That's because USSDA U16 (2008-2009) was for 92 and 93. Very few 94 (less than 10) were signed nationwide, so probably much much less so for the 95s. I think you're asking the wrong question. It should be:

How many of the identified regional and national pool players will choose to stay in the ODP scheme when they are age appropriate for the USSDA?

 

ODP will always be superior--In the ODP system you actually make a team --and are seen as tops in the region ---traveling to south america / Europe to compete---USSDA is just like club --you are put on a team --these players are not getting international competition and the DA final round being played tthis week is problably not a better tournament than Disney

 

No. ODP is now only a money making fraud operation organized by US Youth Soccer to line the pockets of frustrated second rate coaches. No parent in their right mind in a DAP area would even think of being sucker punched by these scam artists.

60% of the U17 MNT are from DAP clubs:
http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/viewArticle.jsp_14745614.html

This percentage will go up over the next several years. USS has a vested interest in making DAP work and they choose the players.

If you read some of the horror stories of ODP from around the country, an argument could be made that this outfit engages in systematic child abuse. It is unfortunate that USS does not have the guts to finally pull the plug on ODP.

 

Are you kidding?

If you watched tonights U-18 final, you would see that from a team perspective that nothing touches the DAP finals

 

ODP has failed on all levels

 

Why I'm new, I don't understand?

 

Unfortunately, the Academy teams are awash in players who never could make ODP. Maybe it's different in other areas of the country, but in the SE, many of the players are mediocre. Yes, many of the top players migrate to the Academy at the older ages, but they are not practicing with the cream of the crop as they did at the too infrequent ODP events.

 

It will be interesting to follow the Texans over the next few years. Will Academy help or hurt them?

 

I can't speak to all the southeast, but at least in South Florida, many academy players were former state or region III ODP and most were at least selections out of the Region A ODP trials. A bunch of the kids had dropped out of the ODP program because they realized that if you didn't make it to the region III pools in the early years, you probably were just wasting your time and money staying in the program after that.

 

I am so amazed at the negative comments made about ODP?! She has had a wonderful experience. The coaches (some of them I know), they don't know me but they have amazing credentials. The girls on my daughters state team, all from the Buckeye league (ohio south). She is at regional camp in Illinois right now, so I may or may not have a different impression afterward. However, she went through all the trainings which started in October and they were difficult but she loved every minute. My daughter is in a academy soccer club but she learned so much about herself and the game of soccer in ODP.

 

Your experience was the one we were hoping! Congratulations and I hope that it continues for you. Illinois' ODP is in shambles and should be scraped.

 

I have to agree----ODP is far more competitive for the best players----for instance in the regional camps held this month over 500 players compete and only 36 are held over for pools ---This can be very intimidating so some players/parents choose to go to DA where you make the team as a mediocre player --one that would probably not make an odp pool game much less the team ---
They allowed some of the DA teams to play at Disney this past year---one of them did not even score a goal , much less win a game ---it is too bad----- DA is a decent idea ---it just does not identify top talent in the current format---while the DA finals were going on --there were 500 college coachs in Denver wathcing the top 100 boys in the country competing at the esp camp --the majority of which were ODP regional players or ODP selections that were in the national pool

 

sorry if this is a dumb question but what is "DA" ?

 

Development Academy

 

MANU THANKS. By the way my daughter loves FC Barcelona and loves Spain so much! She went there on vacation with her best friend recently and she said she may move there one day if she can. Go FC Barcelona!

 

I find this subject very interesting, and down the road I think we'll be in the position to choose one of these avenues.

Can anyone outline the pros and cons of each Academy and ODP?

 

I don't think there is an answer to the question. I think it depends if you are from a large city or rural town and the goals of your child. if you don't have access to a large academy club and your child has hopes of going past high school soccer to play in college you probably will need ODP and a academy or good solid soccer program where your child is challenged. I am not the expert. My daughter still has six years of solid soccer left before college. She's loved it since 4 and we never expected her to ever think so serious about soccer at such a young age. Since it means so much to my daughter, I have researched the careers of many soccer women who have played college and WPSL soccer and I have found that those women have had made it have had both ODP state and regional team experience on it and or they play on a strong team that went to out of state high profile tournaments where college recruits may go. We don't expect that she will get a college scholarship from soccer (she might but we are not counting on it, but if she gets to play in college at a good school I will feel we did her right by trying to put her in the right path.

 

which region? I know that I read on the Ohio North ODP website (how they pick teams) that they pick teams and not just individuals to be on a regional team. What that means is they look for the right combination of girls boys that will make the best team.

 

That's the problem. The kids know $$$ and politics are involved so why bother? On the face of it, ODP was based on meritocracy, a pyramid ladder of open competition, though this could have been done completely free if those in charge really cared about the players instead of lining their own pockets with loot extorted from naive parents. The absurd fees only fostered corruption. The system is so broken that it could not be fixed and is now dying a slow painful death. Hence DAP.

 

I'm probably newer to this than most of you, but explain the "absurd fees" to me. I have two kids currently participating in ODP, and I haven't seen any absurd fees. We pay a fairly small "training fee" that covers their training sessions. I believe it is something like $115. We pay for our State ODP Camp, which is a bargain at $150. And then we pay for the Regional Camp, and that cost is similar to most other 4-5 day camps.

I'm not arguing that ODP is any better than DAP, or vice versa. I'm just trying to figure out how ODP is a financial rip-off, who is lining their pockets with money, and how they're doing it.

 

In Illinois, it's about $1600 from Day 1 to Regional Camp. Roughly what it costs for one complete year of club soccer or 2 complete years of district based travel soccer.

Is it worth it? A friend of mine decided not to do it this year because his kid's team has 1 current National team player, 3 Regional ODP players, and 2 State ODP players. Yet they cannot even beat the local powerhouse's B squad with no ODP kids (in 3 tries he told me). 6 out of 10 field players with ODP credentials mind you is fairly rare. Can you blame him for giving up on ODP?

 

the odp camp was $550 included room and board and a rented bus for the kids. I think that is reasonable. The other fees were $100 total, this is Ohio South. How can someone pull off training kids by good coaches, find them a place to stay and use fields if they don't charge. I do think $1600 is a lot of money for odp and way more than ohio.