NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Won’t happen. Cosmos to NISA invalidates part of their NASL lawsuit.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
  3. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    JD, with or without the Cosmos how is NISA any different than any other D2, D3, etc. league? The clubs will fail/succeed based on their front office/owner operations more than their on-field performance. Pro/Rel, turf, and all the other nonsense is secondary to each club securing their financial survival in their own community. Whether the Cosmos are in the league or not will not affect other clubs.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    The case isn't about the Cosmos, though, it's about NASL being able to operate. I don't see why the Cosmos not playing in a league would change the fact that Miami and Indianapolis (for example) are, which, if that has bearing on the case, has already been undermined. I'm not sure that it does though.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    The Cosmos would provide a financially stable member which helps league continuity. It doesn't affect another club directly, no, but the more teams that are on secure financial footing means that the league has a solid core of teams to depend on to keep the it intact. The larger that core, the more credible the league gets for investors, etc. because it reduces the risk that half the teams will fold in the off-season.
    But you're right, Cosmos would affect NISA, not Cal United Strikers or Michigan Stars.
     
  7. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AFAIK, it's currently another "fly by night" league that tries to woo fringe fans with buzzwords. At the end of the day, leagues need clubs/teams more than the other way around in order for the league to get out of the starting gate, which is why the NISA and other leagues are in the midst of a land grab/war/foofooraw for these assets.

    Heck, I'm amazed the NISA even managed to get this far.

    Plus, I'm an Indy Eleven fan. My cognitive biases make me want to find any excuse to find faults in the Cosmos regardless of how successful my team is.
     
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  8. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly the only effect the Cosmos would have on a league at this point is negative. They’re a failed branding experiment that was established for trading on the nostalgia of a team that last played a game almost 40 years ago. And it’s a brand with a history of failed leagues and owners left in its wake, in large part due to the machinations of its owners at the time. NASL, O’Brien, Nu-NASL, and now NPSL Founders/Members Cup. NISA may not have rejected them, but they’d be wise to do so given their own precarious position.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    The current ownership had nothing to do with Nu-NASL failing.
    Cosmos weren't the reason why Founders Cup didn't work out, and Members Cup is doing fine, although unfortunately they might win it.

    This is projecting a lot of history onto an owner that had basically nothing to do with any of it.
     
  10. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never said the owner, I said the team. And they were a big contributor to both NASL incarnations demise.

    And the Members Cup is closing up shop after this season no?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    But the only connection between them is that they have the same logo. It's not like the original Cosmos organization was involved in NeoNASL. O'Brien bought the branding, but if he hadn't and fielded the NY Soccerbockers would the outcome have been different because they weren't called the Cosmos?
    This is like blaming the fact you got in two car wrecks 30 years apart from each other on the fact that you were wearing Levi's both times.
    It only existed because the Founder's Cup fell apart and all of the remaining FC clubs were already in NPSL. Given that NPSL is trying to start a full season league as a result, it looks like they must have thought it was successful enough.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    (Dammit, Knickersoccers was right there.)
     
  13. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Connections directly, no. Connections in mentality, definitely. It’s like anyone who touches the brand gets delusions of grandeur. And honestly if O’brien and his cronies had fielded the NY Sockerbockers and run it and the other clubs like what they were, D2 teams, and hadn’t over spent, antagonized USSF, etc... who knows. NASL might still be around.

    As for members cup, my understanding is the new full year NPSL is non pro right? So not so successful.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I definitely think the brand is attractive to a certain type of individual, but I think there's a difference between wanting to own the most famous brand in a given sport to get rich off of it and wanting to own the most famous brand to own the most famous brand.
    As loathsome and detestable as he may be, I don't think Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys to get rich off the brand, he bought it because he could own the Cowboys (although since he originally tried to buy the Chargers, he might have been happy with any team). The value of the brand is a bonus, of course.
    Commisso is more in that camp.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Members Cup is non-pro (minus Cosmos). I'm telling you, Members Cup wasn't an intentional thing: the only reason it happened at all was because the Founder's Cup schedule was already set, so the clubs needed matches on those days and were all already in NPSL.
    It was never intended to be a league, only Founder's Cup was.

    "The NPSL Members Cup is a fall 2019 tournament beginning on August 10th and concluding on October 26th. The participants are NPSL member teams, and the tournament is governed by the United States Adult Soccer Association." https://www.npsl.com/members-cup/
     
  16. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    A68 I completely disagree, if the Cosmos join NISA the other clubs will not be affected negatively or positively. At this level it's club by club, market by market.

    And yes, NISA needs as many clubs as it can get because some/many are going to fail. I would think Chattanooga, DC, & Oakland will survive, probably some others currently on board [I'm trying to follow along!] but none of these clubs needs the Cosmos or MLS2 or 3 teams; they're on the own, sink or swim.
     
  17. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. wolfp10

    wolfp10 Member

    Sep 25, 2005
    I recently did a couple of searches concerning the “Connecticut United FC” team that has been somewhat confirmed for NISA; nothing came up. Both their web and social media presence is non-existent.

    These teams are hobbling over the finish line.
     
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is assuming that these teams are even close to the finish line.....then again they might be finished before they even started.....
     

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