NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it would be nice to have a league that can grow organically without being burdened by media market exclusivity.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Fwiw, they've said of the teams that have expressed interest for fall 2020 (which means nothing on the surface, but the implications are meaningful), if they were all to pan out, they'd have multiple same city derbies (well, metro areas).
    Which is encouraging for the sort of thing you're talking about.
    BTW, they're probably referring to San Diego and Detroit.
     
  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Y'all get that while that's quaint and English and all that, it's not actually realistic in America to expect metro areas below a certain size to support two teams, right?

    No, you don't get it. You refuse to recognize why America is different.

    Finance, not romance. Jesus, wake up.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    At D3? I don't expect someone to drive across their large metro area for D3 soccer. If they're spaced far enough apart, they're not cannibalizing each other.
     
  5. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But you have to have 2 struggling teams in Milwaukee before you can "join resources" and have the first "United" that is "real"!
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Nobody is talking about Milwaukee, though. We're talking about MSAs of 3.3 and 4.3 million people, respectively. If the expectation is that a city of 750k or less should be able to support a D3 team, I would expect that our massive, sprawling metropolitan areas to be able to do so, proportionately, as well.
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not expecting them to attract 20,000.
     
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  8. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was just "pulling random city out of the air" ... it was a joke.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
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  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    NISA gets started this week.

    2019 NISA Showcase

    Weeks 1-3
    Home team first, times are ET.
    Streams? Maybe.

    Week 1
    Saturday, August 31
    Oakland Roots v. Cal United Strikers 9:00 pm

    Week 2
    Saturday, September 7
    Philadelphia Fury v. Stumptown Athletic 7:00 pm
    LA Force v. San Diego 1904 FC 10:00 pm

    Week 3
    Saturday, September 14
    Atlanta SC v. Stumptown Athletic 7:00 pm
    San Diego 1904 FC v. Cal United Strikers 10:00 pm

    Sunday, September 15
    Miami FC v. Philadelphia Fury 7:00 pm

    According to the NISA website https://www.nisaofficial.com/schedule, the eight teams will play 6 or 7 regular season games this fall. The NISA regular season ends on November 2. The East and West championship games are November 16.
     
  11. OldRetiredCoach

    Feb 22, 2003
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An article on the Philadelphia Fury Finally reborn, Philadelphia Fury soccer team prepares to kick off inaugural NISA season

    From the article: "Driver said the Fury’s total payroll is in the high six figures, which means players won’t make a ton of money. Hernández is okay with that for now.
    “If anybody tells you they’re here for the money, you know, they’re obviously lying,” he said. “It’s just an opportunity to get back on the platform and play again, and try to get that contract that everyone’s looking for. ... Sometimes you’ve got to take a step back to take to forward, and this might be one of those things.”

    and

    "Driver’s biggest signing of all is the Fury’s venue: Franklin Field. He badly wanted to put the Fury in the city, as a contrast to the Union’s home in Chester, and he was able to get to where the old Fury played briefly in 1979. The old Atoms also played there in 1976, their last year of existence.
    The Fury were sold and moved to Montreal after the 1980 season, leaving the Philadelphia area without a professional outdoor soccer team until the Women’s United Soccer Association’s Charge in 2001. Driver got a hold of the Fury and Atoms trademarks, and used them for teams in the semipro league he ran.
    Franklin Field has some major limitations: it has less-than-stellar artificial turf, and the field is narrower than soccer’s standard. That stopped the Union from taking a game there this year after considering the idea.
    It also isn’t cheap to rent. Driver wouldn’t say how much he’s spending, but called it “a damn sight more” than he’s paid for other venues."

    Personally, I'm having a hard time picturing games in Franklin Field these days. Well, good luck to them, I guess.
     
  12. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting that the city does not have the San Diego game on the SDCCU Stadium schedule.
     
  13. wolfp10

    wolfp10 Member

    Sep 25, 2005
    So, besides higher overhead what is the difference between this and NPSL?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    It's a full season, pro league. They probably won't have 5 substitutions, but otherwise they'll be playing the same sport.

    I mean, did you ask this question about League One with regards to PDL?
     
  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Do you mean the NPSL Members Cup that is going on this fall? That competition is not sanctioned by the USSF as a professional league. It is operating under the auspices of the US Adult Soccer Association, a primarily amateur group. NISA has provisional Division 3 pro league sanctioning.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Given that this question was asked with the same wording on a thread about MyCujoo in /r/NISA this morning, I don't think they're really looking for an answer.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It also means the Fury will be dead soon.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Surely "high six figures" must include staff and front office, right?
    That would be about in line with the projected budget document USL made for prospective D3 owners.

    If it's for player salaries, well, that's mental.
     
  19. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cheap owner, terrible stadium situation, pricey tickets for a D3 team, and zero effort to market the team. They’ll be lucky to make it through the spring half of the season.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Do we actually know much about the owner?
    The prices look pretty competitive with League One: cheaper than most tickets for Greenville, Torments, or Madison. About the same as OCB and most of the Red Wolves seats (although they also have a bunch that are more expensive).

    I agree that most of the pre-Founders Cup NISA clubs won't last two years, though.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Driver actually the owner or just running it for someone with actual money?

    The distinction is not terribly significant, because he has proven he could not organize a trip to CVS.
     
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  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a fair way to think about it, but my point was that there ain't no way they're going to generate high six figures in revenue. And they still have to buy uniforms and office supplies and book travel.

    No chance.
     
  25. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny, hadn’t heard tickets for San Diego were on sale until this price drop. Still not on any other site or schedule tied to the stadium. And that Ticketmaster link isn’t promising. Doesn’t look like they’ve actually sold any tickets.

    Bang up marketing they’re doing over at the 1904...
     

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