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  1. totti fan

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    #16526 totti fan, Sep 14, 2019
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    Questions for anyone who has the balls to answer.

    Are whites in terms of intelligence the genetically superior race?
    Should nations around the world aim to preserve as best as possible unadulterated white genes and culture.
    Is there a globalist Zionist conspiracy which is actively working to "fill in the blanks here"?
    Should all countries currencies revert back to a gold standard?
    Should government cease all welfare programs immediately to allow the poor to pick themselves up by their bootstraps?
    Should there be a place in society for LGBTQ individuals?
    Is man-made climate change real?
    Are you opposed to workers unions?
    Should p-12 education be free and compulsory?
    Should healthcare be freely available for those in need?
     
  2. Deleted User x

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    Why does anyone have to have the balls to answer these questions? Is it because your leftist ideology is currently in charge of what's acceptable or not?

    Without question.

    White nations should.

    Yes.

    Each country should act in their own best interest.

    No.

    A place like everyone else. No more no less.

    Doubt it.

    No.

    Free yes, compulsory no.

    Only for citizens.
     
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  3. Il Ciuccio

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  4. phat

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    How come the school you send you children to is mostly Asian? (Indians are Asians) . Its obviously not your ethnically segregated neighborhood either I assume.
     
  5. Deleted User x

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    Looks like you have white privilege.

    Asians are the highest earning racial group in the U.S. according to the Census Bureau. It's likely the same in Australia and Canada. They succeed everywhere they go. Your lack of advantage theory is nonsense.
     
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  6. Il Ciuccio

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    They succeed because their people work together.
     
  7. Gilbertsson

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    1. If you live in Melbourne, there are some nicer and less nicer quarters. For example, St. Kilda seemed as nicer one for me. Sunshine doesn't seem as something great. It was principal place for settlers who came from Southern Europe. Lebanese people are influential people in Australia. Do you think that they like Australians of English descent? Or maybe other Europeans?
    Chinese community seems also influential in Melbourne. Their China Town is basically in downtown close to Federation Square and one Adventist Church in the near. There are also many successful Maltese, Greeks, Italians, Croats, Serbs, Turkish...who often make different activities over there. I remembered one elite art gallery from Sydney. The owner came from Iran. There are also people of these groups who don't have successful lifestyle. I couldn't see Aboriginal people on the streets in Melbourne, Sydney...and other major cities. Even when you stand on traffic lights as pedestrian, I felt just like in Europe: chariots just like in Vienna. Sometimes I saw taxi drivers with Middle Eastern and Turkish backgrounds.
    The fact where you say that you live close to Egyptians, doesn't mean that they are poor. In California there are places like Orange County and Compton. I would rather live in Orange County, if I could pick, instead of Compton. Southern Chicago seems as harder quarter, just like the city of Detroit. Vancouver has a lot of homeless people, saw this during Winter Olympics.

    2. Southern Koreans are one of the most influential groups in Vienna. They study classical music and play classical instruments. You can see there 20 who play violin and maybe 3 Austrians.

    3. Do you think that any isolation, of any ethnic group in one multicultural city means: "We are better than others, why should we live with them". In Netherlands, people of Southern Maluku have their own quarters in the Netherlands and they are against if some Dutch families want to buy houses in their quarters. In South Africa, there are acts of violence against isolated white farmers. There are numerous of articles online.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks

    White people can be poor in any society, but I don't blame other groups because of that. It's usually lack of luck, advantages, wrong friends, illness, alcohol...

    Is it normal for you, if you can't buy alcohol or prosciutto slices for merenda, or marenda in some countries that don't sell alcohol and pork meat? Usually, Europeans must adapt in foreign environment and respect if someone says the word tradition.

    Are European values always respected in different European countries?

    There are many attacks in France, Germany, Belgium with knife, cars.

    Is it normal for you, that anyone enters in one country, without filled visa policy, passport, ID card? Someone who enters without any document, he can say, that he is much younger, so that he receives longer social care.

    Things are not so exclusively clear, people poke each other, hurt themselves and it's not nice. I will never justify any type of violence directed against innocent people.
     
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  8. Gilbertsson

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    White people are not superior in genetic sense. But I saw a lot of examples where non-European cities copy the streets and the buildings of Paris, London. Western contemporary architecture style is desired style of construction in any country. Countries copy European renaissance, baroque, Victorian, Tudor construction styles. Knowledge needs to be present and easy to get. University fee's cost often a lot.

    The best universities can be seen in Singapore, China, Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea. Europeans often assisted in establishing those universities.

    https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019

    Governor Sir Frederick Lugard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Hong_Kong

    Local community is has also strong capacity. It's all matter of assets and chances. For example, Papua New Guinea wanted independence from Australia in 1972. Who knows, maybe Port Moresby would be like Darwin, Brisbane today, if they remained in Australia. Hong Kong was mostly developed with British ideas. Asian countries who never had European influence seem as much more different.

    There are no conspiracies mostly. But, it would be better that people help each other in different circumstances. For example, ethnic stores in different countries sell the products from the old country for much higher prices, aiming on their emotions and home nostalgia, which is also not nice. They belong to the same origins, often with same regional, city, village background. I don't like to see the poverty in every country. Climate changes might affect Kiribati and many other coastal states, islands.

    People lose a lot of money, because 1 USD, 1 EURO, 1 GBP, 1 AUD, 1 CAD isn't treated the same in other countries. in some countries 1 USD is 5 of something, in other is 7 of something.

    It would be nice to have 1 = 1 relation of different currencies and the same prices of products in different countries. How can one DELL laptop with the same specifications cost differently in Germany and France. Why not 1800 EURO's in both countries?

    Welfare programs should exist for people who have illness, children without parents, widows, students, older people should have nice pensions. But I don't like when healthy, lazy people want to get welfare and live just with that and some of them mock to others who work diligently.

    LGBTQ should have their space in society, but in socialist system they never had rights to testify their nature publicly.

    I support electric vehicles and protection of environment. If you have factories that use coal, people will have respiratory issues.

    I support working unions, but they were not allowed in many socialist systems. The movement Solidarnosc aimed for union creation. You can also find numerous articles about troubles for unions in different socialist countries through history.

    I prefer that only talented people study for free. I met often pretty much silly students who were in my classroom, university room, just because their parents could pay the expensive fee. Many poor and more talented people don't have such privilege. For sure, there are people who have more talents than me, only they never got the chance of their society. We should all have demanding tests with equal chance to apply and enter in university that we want. I doubt that science can progress just with parents who have enough money. Some students should work in warehouses, instead of listening Art of Baroque in early 17th century or Thomas Hobbes.

    Your questions seem easy, if human individual wants to be fair and objective and admit something to himself.
     
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  9. phat

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    Typical neo liberal hypocrite
     
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  10. Care to explain what you mean with bold part in relation to the unbolded part?
     
  11. Gilbertsson

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    When we have large and developed multicultural city, and if we have there different ethnic groups in their own isolated quarters. They live there their entire lives, they marry among each other, celebrate holidays together, without any contacts with people from other ethnic quarters, in sense: "We won't go there, it's not our quarter".
     
  12. Il Ciuccio

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    In the situation you put it the issue was created by the Dutch government they made those people isolated from Dutch society because they wanted to send those people back from where they came from.
     
  13. Gilbertsson

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    The Netherlands took Moluccan people in Asia, so that they can be the soldiers for them in Dutch East Indies. So they ended in Netherlands while they worked as soldiers, military service. They say: "We never wanted to come here in the Netherlands, so we want our communities closed". It was the matter of work, not natural migration settlement. They don't have nice relations with Indonesia, because they asked independence from them.

    https://www.insideindonesia.org/moluccan-monuments

    It seems that the Netherlands maybe saved them from Indonesia. Interesting situation. They ask: "Why are we here in the Netherlands?", but at the same time, they say: "We can't return back in Indonesia". So, they rather make demands for their desires in the Netherlands. In Indonesia, they couldn't demand majority of their desires.

    I made this example, because people usually think that migrants came because they were in poverty. But, it would be acceptable for me, if they have talents for elite universities in the Netherlands, so that they can achieve that their dreams come true.

    I think it's wrong to place some human characteristics and desires as exclusively leftist, or rightist.

    But people think, if someone likes clean environment, sustainable development, clean air, clean creeks, rivers, lakes, seas, oceans, animal protection, human rights, protection of LGBTQ rights, that he instantly becomes the person with leftis ideas and thoughts, which isn't true. A lot of socialists adore capitalist lifestyle, products, travelling, exotic destinations, vehicles, architecture, gastronomy, luxurious clothes, watches, elite schools and universities.

    There are no examples, where socialist leaders supported LGBTQ rights, union formation, multi-party systems, liberal abortion policy, female rights, factories in such countries used coal, because they didn't cared about the air pollution.

    This was fabricated in these contemporary last three decades, where they took several references and they say, that these ideas are their own, leftist and socialist ideas. They even took liberal and democratic ideas, which isn't related with socialism, communism.

    People of all worldviews like the protection of all natural resources and they all like to have someone in their company, where they can express their desires about the working conditions.
     
  14. Thanks for your explanation of the inclusion of that example.
    The Moluccans were part of the Dutch KNIL, the army in the former Dutch Indies. After the declaration of independance by the rebels, the Dutch gouvernment promised the Moluccans they wouldget their from Indonesia independent country. However the international community (USA formost) objected and Indonesia invaded the islands after their uprising. So there were about 12,000 Moluccan soldiers with their families stuck with nowhere to go. The Dutch gouvernment was forced by courts to get them out of Indonesia, but both parties still in hope of return to an independent RMS (Republiek Maluku Selatan). Because of that (idle) hope, people were stupidly thinking in 6 to 12 months, those soldiers and families were temporarely housed in former concentration camps like Westerbork.
    International politics made the return an illusion, so the temporary housing had to be replaced by permanent living quarters. The Moluccan community still kept klinging to a return and thus wanted the community kept intact. As such the socalled "Molukse wijken" (Moluccan neighbourhoods) were established. These werenot seperated from the rest, but simply earmarked as housing for that group.
    To foreigners it might look like segregation, but in fact it isnot. The Moluccans are in their 4th generation since the exodus, and that 4th generation is for the most part indistinguishable from the Dutch being blond and white.
    So that resentment to having Dutch take the homes in those designated streets might sound segregationist to foreigners, but when one looks there the colours range from Melanesian to white. But the insistance is that the houses are ment for the families that came involuntarily to the Netherlands. So you find very Dutch looking people in those neighbourhoods, who actually are Dutch now, but with the strong traditional Moluccan family bond these people brought with them.
    So this isnot an example of segregation as policy or racial attitude.
    In another two generations it will be very hard to find very Moluccan looking people, as from day one the Moluccans entered the Netherlands marriages with Dutch women took place.
    If interested this very recent article in a Dutch newspaper tells the story of such a family. Use google translate:
    https://www.gelderlander.nl/winters...ie~a84c83fa/?referrer=https://www.google.com/
    Hoogblonde Tetelepta’s als de ultieme vorm van Molukse integratie
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    De familie Tetelepta op de jaarlijkse familiedag. Vooraan rechts zit Joseph Tetelepta, naast hem zijn zoon Azarjah. © theo kock persfotografie



    Very blond Tetelepta's as the ultimate form of Moluccan integration
     
  15. Gilbertsson

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    #16540 Gilbertsson, Sep 16, 2019
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    There are many examples of positive inclusion in Europe. Usually people think that we are all bad colonial forces, who use and only exhaust other continents.
    Europeans developed a lot of good things in Australia, Asia, Africa, America, Canada. Some examples: railroad, concrete roads, sanitary spots, aviation, agricultural watering, farms. Europeans travelled abroad, they brought spices, plant species (corn, tomato, tobacco, etc.), animal species (turkey, different fish species, etc.), diamonds, gold, silver, oil, gas showing that they were progressive and open minded.

    Another nice example of inclusion: Dutch - Tamil people:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Tamils

    "The earliest Tamil immigrants to Netherlands came in the 1980s, and were primarily educated personnel, businessmen and students. When the Sri Lankan civil war break out, many Tamils migrated 1984 onward were asylum seekers. Between 1984 and 1987, more than 3,500 Tamil mens arrived in Netherlands. A Second wave of Tamil refugees came between 1990 and 1992, which included women and children.[2] Since 1995, the population of Sri Lankans in Netherlands has doubled, in 1996 there were 5,600 and in 2010 there were 10,346 people.[3] Dutch Tamils have low unemployment level, because they have show willingness to accept jobs, that is below their qualifications. They attach great importance to education and also pay attention to their children's education."

    The Netherlands gave them their own words in linguistic sense for their expression. Also, Tamils were saved from civil wars, educated people found better opportunities in the Netherlands with high percent of employment. If we scratch every society, we will see many positive examples of inclusion in different European countries. There are many prejudices, where only poor and uneducated people arrive in Europe and that they live in some poor quarters, isolated and without advantages working only low paid jobs. Someone who wants to learn, who wants to work, he will always have that advantage. Uneducated and lazy people of all ethnic groups won't have nice advantages, even among Europeans.

    There were negative things also. Alexander The Great destroyed Persepolis.
    Some of the oldest settlements were outside of Europe: Damascus, Jericho, Aleppo, Athens (Europe), Argos (Europe), Faiyum (Egypt), Byblos (Lebanon), Sidon (Lebanon), Rayy (Iran), Erbil, Jerusalem, Luoyang (China), Varanasi (India).

    Europeans know how to collect knowledge, experience, they make nice comparison and investigate things, because of their curiosity. All races made nice impacts and contributions, if we observe the positive things. Some of them were progressive in some periods, later they vanished, others replaced them and new civilisation started. We are all different, something we have, something we don't.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_continuously_inhabited_cities

    If we observe Italy, Cagliari and Messina are older than Rome.:)
     
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  16. Another illustration of the changing colour of the Moluccans:
    https://www.pzc.nl/walcheren/middel...to~a55617cf/?referrer=https://www.google.com/
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    Franky Berhitu en zijn kleinzoon Marlehu met hun Molukse tifa’s. De foto heeft op een internationale expositie in Melbourne gehangen. © Jaïr Pattipeilohy
    Franky Berhitu and his grandson Marlehu with their Moluccan tifas. The photo hung at an international exhibition in Melbourne. © Jaïr Pattipeilohy


    Moluccan grandfather with his very blond grandson, teaching him the use of the Moluccan drum, called tifa.
     
  17. Gilbertsson

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    And that grandson can nurture the traditions of his grandfather. Another nice proof where Europeans respect traditions of another cultures. Europeans don't force their own culture to others.
     
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    Bewoners van de Molukse wijk in Hoogeveen, onder wie een niet-Molukker die getrouwd is met een Molukse vrouw. Beeld Harry Cock
    Illustration of what I posted about the mentioned neighbourhood "shunning" Dutch people. One of the white guys lives in that neighbourhood as he's married to a woman from there.
     
  19. Gilbertsson

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    And those houses look nice. They don't seem old with weaker materials. They are acceptable in sense of construction, they maintain public gatherings with the strong perspective in Dutch society.:thumbsup: Europeans should respect themselves more with elements of inclusion, society assistance, institutions, education for other non - Europeans.
     
  20. falvo

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    Trump fights back again!

     
  21. totti fan

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    Yes, what is your point.

    Wow that is some galaxy brain logic being deployed there.
    So you're saying Asians are the master race now? Tell that to the millions of Chinese slaughtered by white British colonialists during the Opium Wars.
     
  22. totti fan

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    My children go to an elite academic school (there are 4 in Melbourne). They had to sit an entrance exam to get in. I chose that out of 2 closest to me because the families in that school best represent my socio-economic and domiciled status. The ethnicity of the students at the school did not factor into my decision.
     
  23. totti fan

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    2 things.
    You don't know what a neo-liberal is. And how am I a hypocrite?
     
  24. totti fan

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  25. falvo

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    So what is Trump supposed to do? start a war over drone attacks? If he acts, they will say he is a warmonger if he does nothing they will say he is a coward. How can you win with this left wing unhinged party?
     

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