[NDR] CONCACAF Champions League

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by newtex, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Finally someone gets what I am saying. It's not one flowing tournament for all teams, it's basically 3 rounds, with teams primarily from particular geographic areas coming in at different times.

    I am not hating on America here, I just think it lessens the competition to -- if we use a track metaphor -- put some of the teams down at the 5th hurdle, and tell them only to start when the other teams reach them from 50 yards back, and then pretend everyone ran the same race. You can tell yourself, they will probably win anyway, and it's true enough "on average," but what makes it a real contest and fair competition is they all basically ran the same race.

    I also feel like the way it is now structured it's like kind of "champions" but kind of not, depends where you're from. We dignify 4 winners from US plus a Canadian team who wins their tournament and yet winning Jamaica or T&T alone means nothing if you aren't top 4 CFU.
     
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  2. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This new CCL format sure seems weird. I would not design it this way. I sure would not put all four MLS teams into the second stage automatically.

    Since I don't like it Can I not be hated too?

    I can see what CONCACAF is trying to do...I just think their goals are misguided.

    BTW ... one article I read whined about the timing for MLS teams. I disagree with that. No matter when you have it there is a downside and an upside. Whenever it is just go out and compete and stop making excuses.
     
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  3. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Yes, they recognized that a big point is that MLS teams will be prepared better for the tournament. Really? They want to make love with MLS ..... MLS is owner of CONCACAF there, is not normal. CONCACAF must punish MLS, not other else. Increase number of competitive leagues and will have a better tournament. But all teams must begin from same phase, equal chances .... not because you are from MLS is need to change the format because you need chances to reach rhe final. Why not put MLS teams already in swmifinals or the final?
     
  4. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    It's a trade off, we get advanced to the "spring" round but we still start playing knockouts in February in preseason. It sounds all well and good to be like "no excuses" but I am curious if MLS teams can even start spring training earlier than the others to get ready.

    I have heard people suggest the format might have been intended to make it run smoother with Copa Libertadores but the tournaments are 180 degrees out of sync and I don't think the same MX teams participate in both. So that sounds like bunk.
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) v. Pachuca (MEX) 8:00 pm

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) 7:00 pm
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Pumas UNAM (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) v. Arabe Unido (PAN) 7:00 pm

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) v. Saprissa (CRC) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) v. FC Dallas (USA) 7:00 pm
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm

    Look for TV coverage on the Univision channels.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
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  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    First result.

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) 0-0 Pachuca (MEX)

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) 7:00 pm
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Pumas UNAM (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) v. Arabe Unido (PAN) 7:00 pm

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) v. Saprissa (CRC) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) v. FC Dallas (USA) 7:00 pm
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm

    Look for TV coverage on the Univision channels.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    Wednesday results.

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) 0-0 Pachuca (MEX)

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) 1-1 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pumas UNAM (MEX)

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) v. Arabe Unido (PAN) 7:00 pm

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) v. Saprissa (CRC) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) v. FC Dallas (USA) 7:00 pm
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm

    Look for TV coverage on the Univision channels.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    First leg is complete.

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) 0-0 Pachuca (MEX)

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) 1-1 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pumas UNAM (MEX)

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) 4-0 Arabe Unido (PAN)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) v. Saprissa (CRC) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) v. FC Dallas (USA) 7:00 pm
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm

    Look for TV coverage on the Univision channels.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) 0-0 Pachuca (MEX)

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) 1-1 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pumas UNAM (MEX)

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) 4-0 Arabe Unido (PAN)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) 4-0 Saprissa (CRC)
    Pachuca advances, 4-0, on aggregate.

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) v. FC Dallas (USA) 7:00 pm
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm

    Look for TV coverage on the Univision channels.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
  10. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    those final two games should be doozies. grab some popcorn and enjoy
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) 0-0 Pachuca (MEX)

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) 1-1 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pumas UNAM (MEX)

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) 4-0 Arabe Unido (PAN)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) 4-0 Saprissa (CRC)
    Pachuca advances, 4-0, on aggregate.

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) 2-1 FC Dallas (USA)
    Dallas advances, 5-2, on aggregate.
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) 0-3 Tigres UANL (MEX)
    Tigres advance, 4-1, on aggregate.

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. NY Red Bulls (USA) 9:00 pm

    Look for TV coverage on the Univision channels.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Quarterfinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017
    Saprissa (CRC) 0-0 Pachuca (MEX)

    Wednesday, February 22
    NY Red Bulls (USA) 1-1 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pumas UNAM (MEX)

    Thursday, February 23
    FC Dallas (USA) 4-0 Arabe Unido (PAN)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, February 28
    Pachuca (MEX) 4-0 Saprissa (CRC)
    Pachuca advances, 4-0, on aggregate.

    Wednesday, March 1
    Arabe Unido (PAN) 2-1 FC Dallas (USA)
    Dallas advances, 5-2, on aggregate.
    Pumas UNAM (MEX) 0-3 Tigres UANL (MEX)
    Tigres advance, 4-1, on aggregate.

    Thursday, March 2
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) 2-0 NY Red Bulls (USA)
    Vancouver advances, 3-1, on aggregate.

    The semifinals start on March 14.
     
  13. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dallas must face Pachuca.
    Tigres gets Vancouver.
     
  14. Heft

    Heft BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Tough ask for any MLS side to win the tie against these Mexican giants.
     
  15. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have been asked this task...beating Pachuca at home, then wow that vuelta at Pachuca. Which was March of 2007, a decade ago in our footballing history.
     
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  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Semifinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, March 14, 2017
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, March 15
    FC Dallas (USA) v. Pachuca (MEX) 7:00 pm

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, April 4
    Pachuca (MEX) v. FC Dallas (USA) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, April 5
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    The finals start on April 19.
     
  17. Penwyth

    Penwyth Member

    Mar 10, 1999
    Earth
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tough one. Root for an American MLS side and, unfortunately our die-hard rivals, FC Dallas, or the formerly arch intl rivals, the Tuzos of Pachuca?
     
  18. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will never root for FC Dallas
     
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  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I root for neither. As is the case much of the time in sports I'm rooting against more than for. In this one, mostly against FCD and only somewhat against Pachuca.
     
  20. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct.

    Once you witness FC Dallas grown men cuss little children in Dynamo gear, make threats to women and go on to push a female BBVA security staff member it will be very easy to never root for FC Dallas.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Semifinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, March 14, 2017
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 2-0 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)

    Wednesday, March 15
    FC Dallas (USA) v. Pachuca (MEX) 7:00 pm

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, April 4
    Pachuca (MEX) v. FC Dallas (USA) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, April 5
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    The finals start on April 19.
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Semifinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, March 14, 2017
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 2-0 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)

    Wednesday, March 15
    FC Dallas (USA) 2-1 Pachuca (MEX)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, April 4
    Pachuca (MEX) v. FC Dallas (USA) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, April 5
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm

    The finals start on April 19.
     
  23. Heft

    Heft BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Mexican teams like to sandbag in the first leg, but beat you to death in the second.
     
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  24. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not even kinda tough. I hope Frisco tanks on the second leg.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016-17 Semifinals

    First Leg

    Tuesday, March 14, 2017
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 2-0 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)

    Wednesday, March 15
    FC Dallas (USA) 2-1 Pachuca (MEX)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, April 4
    Pachuca (MEX) v. FC Dallas (USA) 9:00 pm UDN

    Wednesday, April 5
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm Galavision

    The finals start on April 19.
     

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