NASL player salaries

Discussion in 'NASL' started by divdev12, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    The NASL will probably go under for a myriad of reasons. Miami FC badly overspending on mediocre players is not one of them. Because I doubt the other teams will follow their example. The clubs back in the old NASL had no choice but to spend to keep up so they were effected when one stupidly drove up the price on players. But clubs today have other options. If anything, we will see teams like Ottawa and the others wave goodbye to the NASL and jump ship to the USL. So if Miami FC wants to pay freaking Richie Ryan 300k and Hunter Freeman close to 200k than that will be their undoing. I doubt anyone else is that dumb.

    Historically, teams see a drop in attendance their second year. It could get really ugly in Miami unless Riccardo Silva wants to have more $1 beer nights. The club is ignored in the market and doesn't have a strong supporter base. I just don't see this club being around that long. Everything about it seems setup to flop. And that is without Beckham's MLS club showing up. Cause when that happens, Miami FC is dead anyway.

    The funny thing is the old A-League Rochester Rhinos use to overpay some of their players, but most of them were probably quality MLS level starters at the time(MLS circa 1996-2004). Outside of one or two players, Miami FC is badly overpaying for guys who not only wouldn't start in MLS, but would have a hard time making any MLS roster.
     
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  2. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Quite true. When MLS only had 10 teams and only 18 players per team drew anything resembling decent money, a lot of good players were still out there for taking. The 1997 Carolina Dynamo and 1998 Rochester Rhinos had some terrific players.
     
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  3. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That might be a slight exaggeration. Poku and Lahoud started the season in MLS, and Poku would likely make the 18-man match roster for almost any MLS team, though has too many holes in his game to start consistently for anyone. Steele and Campos are good enough to get substitute minutes in MLS.

    Still, we're mostly talking about guys who would mostly be on the edge of the 18-man matchday squad in MLS, being paid as if they were upper-echelon MLS starters.
     
  4. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
  5. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    My Favorite cup cake since I was a kid was the Hostest chocolate cup cake. They had a union company could not pay their demands and went out of business.all their workers lost their jobs.

    Then long after so one started them up again no Union and today I can buy them again. Those workers are working again.

    There is a moral in that story some where.
     
  6. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    In the 19th century, industrial workers faced deplorable conditions.

    Unions helped change that.

    There's a moral in that story, too.
     
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  7. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    The Hostess case is also a little more complex. Labor costs were probably too high -- even the Teamsters were willing to take pay cuts in exchange for keeping pensions. The bakers' union refused to go along, and that may have been the last straw.

    But another factor -- we're eating healthier. And it doesn't appear that Hostess diversified in the same way soda companies and even tobacco companies have.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...ankruptcy-wall-street-unions-or-carbs/265357/

    So back to sports ...

    In 1997, MLS players opted to sue rather than unionize. Almost killed the league, and it certainly cost the players in the long run.

    So in sports, as in real life, unions can be good or bad. The U.S. women's union has helped the team win much better conditions over the years, but it overreached last year with some disingenuous rhetoric, leading to a change in leadership. The MLS union is apparently the stumbling block preventing U.S. teams from paying or accepting training compensation or solidarity payment, which is controversial, to say the least.
     
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  8. DUSS

    DUSS New Member

    Jul 16, 2016
    Sooooo how much are NASL salaries?
     
  9. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Unions are good as long as they don't get too much power over a business, then they can put the business out of business.
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like happened in baseball.

    Oh, wait....
     
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  11. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Can and will are not synonymous.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously, if a labor union puts you out of business, either ( a ) you shouldn't be in business or ( b ) you're a shitty negotiator.

    And if you're part of a labor union (which only about 11 percent of Americans are) that puts your employer out of business, you're a moron.

    Management will always exploit labor unless there is a compelling reason for it not to do so.
     
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  14. the shelts

    the shelts Member+

    Jun 30, 2005
    Providence RI
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    You could also close down because (c) you're a good negotiator. You refuse to let the company pay more than it can afford. Hostess (the example that was quoted above) refused to be backed into a corner and told the union that everyone needed to be back at work within the week. The union refused and Hostess filed for bankruptcy protection.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And then you have no more company.

    The nuclear option is rarely the sign of a savvy negotiator.

    Hostess had a lot more problems than just its labor contract.
     
  16. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not pro or anti union in any way. It's not one of the myriad of things I care that much about.

    That said, I was a longtime resident of Newark, Ohio, just east of Columbus. Used to be a lot of manufacturing jobs but like much of the rust belt, that stuff went away years ago and ain't coming back. A lot of unemployment, a lot of struggling families.

    So one day Spalding (the sports company) announced that they were building a golf club manufacturing facility in Newark. They put up the building, brought in the machines and hired a work force.

    But before it ever opened, some union organizers showed up, held some meetings and got to work convincing the newly-hired people - who hadn't even started working yet because the plant wasn't open - that what they needed was to join a union.

    Spalding let it be known that if they unionized, then they would not open the plant. After it's open, the law was going to make it next to impossible to shut down, so they wanted the workers to tell them up front what the deal was going to be.

    The union told the almost-employed that Spalding was bluffing, held a vote which the union won and the leaders tried to set up a meeting with the company to start hammering out a contract.

    Spalding said there's nothing to talk about, sent in some trucks, removed all the equipment and put the building up for sale.

    And as Billy Joel wrote, "the union people drove away".

    Not saying anyone was right or wrong, but it's sure hard not to opine that a lot of someones were stupid.
     

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