NASL is no longer considering suing US Soccer for anti-trust over division 1 status

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  1. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy

    I agree. I've always thought the desire for D2 should not be the focus. If you have a regionalized league, you're going to need 4 regions, to make bus trips viable for half the games, and 12-18 teams each, so you have enough variety.

    If a few things break the right way, that's not impossible in 5 years. 6 teams come over from the NASL, 4 more MLS teams, a few more teams develop internally and there you are.
     
  2. gstommylee

    gstommylee Member+

    Oct 3, 2008
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Its not going to happen. Being forced to be in the CSA soccer league would do economy damages to the clubs to the point of all 3 teams suing the CSA for damages.

    The fact the CSA new league that is being formed is using wales as an example. When Wales league was formed several welsh teams remained in the english leagues. So there is precedents here.

    In fact is the 3 clubs are owned by MLS as another person pointed out.
     
  3. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would L'Impact move to a smaller city with more pro sports teams competing for fans, sponsors, and media coverage? That doesn't already have its organization's history and infrastructure? And isn't where the owner lives?

    Toronto FC for Ontario, L'Impact Montreal pour les Quebecois, and Vancouver Whitecaps for western Canada. The country should have three MLS teams. (But not much to gain with a fourth.)
     
  4. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
     
  5. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
    Their only hope is to affiliate with Chicago and rebrand the club as Tulsa Dumpster Fire FC.
     
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  6. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not so sure of that. You don't need to have a whole lot of teams in a league. As soon as the USL reaches 32 clubs, that's enough to have Eastern and Western leagues with 8 teams each at each level.

    And I would expect MLS to start mandating USL reserve teams within the next 2-3 years, because with only one or two exceptions the affiliations don't seem to be working very well for player development. That, along with expansion and NASL defections, would push the USL to over 40 teams.

    The one real obstacle may be the geographic imbalance of strong clubs. Right now, the wealthier owners in the USL are mostly in the West, and the clubs that aren't capable of D2 play are mostly older USL clubs on the East Coast. If the USL splits into two divisions on purely financial lines, the divisions are likely to be very different geographically. But bringing in NASL clubs, which are mostly on the East Coast, may solve that problem.
     
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  7. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    If you pull the "2" teams out, the west is pretty barren, requiring a significant increase in travel out to Midwest.
     
  8. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still think Tulsa Riot will be a better name
     
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  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know what that is?
     
  11. gstommylee

    gstommylee Member+

    Oct 3, 2008
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders


    No decision yet on USL wanting to be division 2 and NASL wanting to be division 1. I think its not so much about NASL wanting to be division 1 that's not going to happen but what to do to NASL with USL wanting to be division 2.
     
  12. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe they are waiting to see what the Big 12 does?
     
  13. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Some guy in the other Virginia is going to be upset.
     
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  14. LordRobin

    LordRobin Member+

    Sep 1, 2006
    Akron, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So in other words, back to the situation that was status quo for about 25 years under Pepe Pinton.

    ------RM
     
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  15. El Chico Carmona

    Mar 10, 2015
    Baraboo, Wisconsin
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Not true.

    Non "2" teams west of the Mississippi:
    Sacramento Republic
    OC Blues
    Arizona United
    Reno (2017)
    St Louis
    Tulsa
    Oklahoma
    San Antonio

    That doesn't include rumored expansion teams:
    Albuquerque Sol
    San Diego
    Boise
    Tucson FC
    Austin Aztexs (hiatus)

    San Francisco & Edmonton (only if NASL folds)
     
  16. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
    We'll do that the day Rayo Yukon rebrands to 1995 Bombers FC and Energy FC rebrands to Fracking FC.
     
  17. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't forget the Virginia Cavalry.
     
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  18. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The problem with the top 8 is that if you're the OC Blues, you have 3 away trips by bus and 4 by plane. Ideally, it would be more like 5 by bus and 2 by plane. Regional leagues really need to be regional leagues to put everyone on a solid financial foundation. Adding in the NW is tough as it is, but since they are MLS teams, the cost doesn't matter that much to them.

    But once (if) it's set up as a western league, I think you'll see San Diego and Tuscon and Fresno and maybe Bakersfield or an Inland Empire team. The more that teams are around California, the more costs are kept down, which makes it more attractive to develop new teams in California - a virtuous circle.
     
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  19. triplet1

    triplet1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 25, 2006
    Actually, with a huge assist from the pond scum at Traffic Sports, I think the faux Cosmos are far more culpable for the issues surrounding the current NASL than the original Cosmos were for the demise of the original NASL -- but that's another thread.
     
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  20. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
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    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any discussion of culpability needs a heavy dose of Traffic, which wanted to develop a property that would allow them to challenge SUM as a soccer marketing company.
     
  21. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I said Midwest. And that is besides the point. West of the Mississippi is not what you'd call "regional". All those teams have exponentially higher travel without the "2" teams.

    USL 2/3 ain't happening for quite a while. If NASL fails, and their teams join USL, you'll see four regional divisions before a separate league
     
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  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The lead actor from Matador, which featured the LA Riot as its team.
     
  23. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, we all know the former of those isn't going to happen, but the latter would be apt
     
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  24. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Fortunately for the NASL's short term survival prospects, they may be able to rush some unintelligent owners who buy the snake oil. Snake oil wouldn't be a thing if it weren't possible to sell it.
     
  25. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If you're going to try to be cute, at least get it correct: "l'Impact."
     
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