NASL 2018 Death Wat... er News Thread

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  1. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    If you had Rocco's money would you be doing this? Most of us, even though we love football, would pass. Rocco has never lacked passion; I can tell you from watching and talking to him at Cosmos' games how much he enjoyed owning the team.

    The offer to take this step is his attempt to grow football in the United States. He knows it will cost him a lot of money, there's no denying that; but he's willing to try. The ten year window sounds like a lot but I wonder if it is; growing clubs into financially stable organizations is very difficult as Indy11[with solid fan support] can attest. The road ahead for this league, call it what you will, will have many of the same bumps as the USL & NASL have endured over the years; how could it not?

    I like Rocco. I don't agree with everything he says but that's true of most of the folks involved with professional sports; but really like his passion and commitment for what he's doing.

    BTW correction, he not proposing to fund the league entirely himself; but certainly a very large portion.
     
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  3. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'd take it more seriously if there was anything like a plan. Right now he wants no oversight for 10 years and the USSF to restructure itself on the basis of pretty much nothing.

    Saying he would spend $250m of his own money doesn't actually commit him to anything.
     
  4. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
  5. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More let me do it my way and tell you what to do. Let me guess, the USSF will tell him where to put it and with explicit instructions on how.
     
  6. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Right this offer is as empty and as serious as Silva's "4 billion" offer.
     
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  7. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Commisso just wants his piece of the pie to line his pockets. Has nothing to do with the betterment of the sport.
     
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  10. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is my take on it, too. I would not be surprised that USSF feels the same way.
     
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  11. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Exactly what conflicts of interest are there with SUM? And I don't see any proposal from Commisso other than letting him - a team owner - buy out the SUM contract. If you could clarify your thinking on this matter, I'd appreciate it.
     
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  12. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I really want to know what most people think SUM actually is.

    SUM is more than just TV rights.
     
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  13. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not sure I trust him...but I'm willing to listen
     
  14. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
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  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rocco seems full of it.


    I think he would make a great President of this country.
     
  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't say Commisso had a conflict of interest. I was agreeing with his position that conflicts of interest should be eliminated.
     
  19. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    So you're suggesting that every single board member of the USSF should be an independent director with no connection to any aspect of soccer in the United States? Or, put otherwise, no person who plays in, coaches in, referees in, invests in, organizes, or even supports a particular team should have a role in the governance of American soccer?

    Because that's what "eliminating" conflicts of interest would actually mean.

    Or maybe you mean that when a USSF director is in a potential conflict of interest, they should manage that conflict by announcing it and either gaining the rest of the board's consent to the existence of the potential conflict or recusing themselves from decisions that engage that conflict. Which is what they do now, just like the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit pointed out.

    Also, the USSF cannot be conflicted with itself. That's stupid, and people who say "the USSF is in a conflict of interest when it works with its members" do not understand what a conflict of interest is.
     
  20. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Yes. I understood what you said. I'm asking what conflicts of interest exist. If you think something should be eliminated, then you think it exists. I'm asking for you to explain exactly what conflict of interest actually exists.
     
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  21. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am just agreeing with Commisso in that I think if conflicts may exist they should be hopefully, if possible, eliminated. I think that Garber, if true, is part of SUM then he needs to drop from either MLS or SUM. If he is on the USSF board and with SUM then he needs to drop one.
     
  22. aetraxx7

    aetraxx7 Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    Des Moines, IA
    Club:
    Des Moines Menace
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words, you are in favor of change for the sake of change without taking the time to understand what that change would be, why it is needed, how it would be implemented, who will be affected by it, who will benefit from it, who will profit from it, and what the long and short term ramifications of such a change will be.
    Got it. Let's blow the whole thing up because an owner of a resurrected brand that fielded a team in a now defunct resurrected league doesn't like the way that soccer has (successfully) operated over the last twenty years following decades of failure because of some notion of "conflicts of interest," that said resurrected brand owner certainly must not have since both his team and his league are currently, for all intents and purposes, dead and have never been in a place to successfully operate at the division two level they were assigned, let alone the division one level they sought. Said owner of a resurrected brand offered a paltry sum of $250 million - not enough to purchase two actual division one MLS teams mind you - to operate an entire league and requested a decade or so to get things up and running. Yep, this guy definitely has no conflicts of interest in this whole affair.
    Better yet, why not scrap everyone in the USSF because they all have some level of conflict of interest as people who have been involved with the game on multiple levels. Let's dump their passion and experience and replace them with people who have absolutely no knowledge of soccer and no ties to sports presentation or broadcasting just to ensure that there are no conflicts of interest lurking behind the corners. Perhaps we can stage a walkout during an MLS broadcast and make speeches before Congress while we are at it.
     
  23. 2in10

    2in10 Member+

    LA Galaxy, Internazionale
    United States
    Jun 19, 2016
    Sparks, NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where the hell did you come up with that BS. I said nothing of the kind.
     
  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One issue with this.. Commisso is not saying "if conflicts exist", he is saying conflicts DO exist AND they conspired to kill NASL..
     
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  25. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Spoiler, because you're still not getting this: Potential conflicts do exist; sometimes they even turn into actual conflicts. When they do, those conflicts are managed. That's because we want people who have an interest in American soccer involved in the governance of American soccer.

    Bigger spoiler: Don Garber is openly and publicly involved in MLS and SUM and holds a position on the USSF Board. When the USSF has business dealings with SUM, or makes decisions that have specific impacts on MLS, he is in an actual conflict of interest. That's why he recuses himself from those decisions and the non-conflicted Board members make the decision.

    That's how governance works.
     

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