Mueller indictment thread

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  1. song219

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    But at the same time the FBI was helping Hillary. It's some sort of quantum state of being in which the absolute opposites happen at the same time in the same place.
     
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  2. ceezmad

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    In Trumplandia, H Clinton is guilty of crimes (Emails, murder, rape, what ever pops in their heads), the FBI went soft on H Clinton, the proof is that she is not behind bars.

    Technically Rosenstein said that in his letter, then Trump referenced the Email/memo as a reason on why he fired Comey (but said that perhaps he would have fired him anyways).
     
  3. superdave

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    Schrodinger’s FBI.
     
  4. song219

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    and people say Trump supporters are unsophisticated.
     
  5. charlie15

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    Some pundits are suggesting it may the Bank of China, owned by China, Bank of Russia or a Saudi bank. All owned by those respective states.


    “Four days after attorneys secretly argued over a grand jury subpoena suspected to be related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian influence in the 2016 election, a federal appeals court is forcing an unnamed company to comply with the subpoena,” CNN reports.

    “The appeals court did not identify the company, nor did the appellate judges say the subpoena was related to the Mueller investigation. The company that sought to quash the subpoena is owned by a foreign country.”
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Mikey Flynn Jr no likey



    And Mueller's probably all "C'mon, judge! Treason was my big reveal in 2019"
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Thanks for you read on it.

    I guess i kind of expected a law professor, even a celeb crimes prof, would proffer accurate opinions on the law rather than ones that offer pure spin for defendants

    Of course if Dersh was representing Flynn, or offered it more as a possible argument then i get it

    But this argument is just mind crushingly dumb. Like the kind you make in Court at Hail Mary time

    I incidentally saw this recently with Barry Roux vs the Full bench of the RSA Supreme Court who gave him a massive kicking. But to his credit he bravely soldiered on with his task of defending a murderer. So I do get it!
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    This piece makes much more sense than Dersh's stiff position given the Trump Crime Family's unprecedented crimes getting into office and what they've done since they've been in there. Couple that with Republicans' see-no-evil attitude and the OLC memo saying you can't indict a sitting president seems outdated.

    Let’s set aside for the moment the question of whether Trump is truly consumed by the task of governing and concentrate on that second point. The memo contemplates impeachment as the only lawful vehicle to dislodge a president who has committed “high crimes and misdemeanors.” However, it’s becoming increasingly clear that, regardless of how much incriminating evidence comes to light regarding Trump’s conduct, Republican senators will do nothing to hold him accountable for fear that they will alienate Trump’s base and risk losing their own future elections.

    If party affiliation has become the sole motivating factor for decisions regarding impeachment proceedings, then the very premise of the OLC memo fails. In other words, if Republican representatives refuse to impeach and/or Republican senators refuse to remove/convict a criminal president due to unshakable party loyalty, then the OLC memo is de facto ensuring that the president is above the law.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...oj-should-re-evaluate-office-legal-ncna949116
     
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  9. song219

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    Like being a racist, it's worse being called a traitor than actually being a traitor.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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    Many banks are under Chinese government control, the Bank of Russia is like their federal reserve or the Bank of England right? so not a "real" bank.

    Now the Sberbank of Russia, is a "private bank" with over 50% ownership by the Central Bank of Russia, so perhaps that bank (and probably others).
     
  11. ceezmad

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    Well we would need to change the constitution or have a case that goes to the SC for them to decide.

    Check and balance do fall apart when one party is in full control and refuses to check on it self.
     
  12. superdave

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    News broke yesterday that Whitaker won’t refuse himself. I read that and I was like, huh, that’s surprising.

    It turns out the ethics office recommended he recuse himself, so Whitaker convened a group of advisers to give him a different opinion.

    A tiny insight into the will to power mentality at work here.
     
  13. superdave

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    McClatchy has further reporting that supports the dossier's account of a Cohen trip to Prague. The purported purpose of that trip was to pay the hackers.

    Interesting if true.

    On the one hand, Trump won't survive a documented case of his campaign paying the hackers. On the other hand, Cohen is very dismissive of this new reporting. I get that Cohen is kind of an idiot...but given all the circumstances, I, personally, put a lot of credence in his denial.

    But I put a lot of credence in McClatchy, too. Time will tell.
     
  14. InTheSun

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    I don't. It was discovered by media (can't recall who broke the story) a while back that intelligence pegged him having crossed the border from Germany to Czechia. General ridicule of his theatrical Passport waving and slamming followed. I guess the new piece of information we have is that there is actual electronic evidence of him being there - and I guess the purpose of his visit.
     
  15. M

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    Isn't the evidence that one of Cohen's phones has been pegged being there? That would leave open the possibility that he lent the 'phone to another member of the Trump crime family.
     
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  16. dapip

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    This. I mean, I still think Cohen was probably there or close to the city, but if he was not, probably Don Jr. or Individual One used the phone while at Prague.
     
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  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Buzzfeed showed the inside of his passport last year. There was one stamp for a trip to Italy in July 2016. From there he could travel by train to Prague. Weirdly Cohen said he was partying with Steve Van Zandt in Capri. Silvio denies it.

     
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  18. superdave

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    But he's still operating under a cooperating agreement right? He's still being investigated. If he's lying in a tweet, when shutting the hell up is a viable option, is incredibly stupid. I mean, look, I doubt many people have gone broke overestimating the stupidity of this group, but good God, this is...beyond.
     
  19. JohnR

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    What Dave said. If Cohen is lying, this would be a whole new level of dumb. Evolutionary victim stupid.
     
  20. dapip

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    From Cohen's perspective, it is possible that he's lying, if he has hold some information that he thinks Mueller doesn't have, hence from his POV, reasserting a lie that will keep him from implicating himself in bigger crimes, kind of make sense.

    From Mueller's perspective, it is possible that he has not disclosed all the information he has on Cohen and Trump to Cohen, so he gets him to confirm more of what he already knows through a plea deal. But as with Papadopolous and Flynn, it is also likely that he knows Cohen will likely not hold his part of the deal.

    IOWs, Mueller knows everything and just needs witnesses to confirm it, but he won't show all his cards to the rats because he knows that the rats will try to deny and run away when they think the deal is safe.
     
  21. soccernutter

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    Cohen is a cooperating witness, yes? And he has not really said anything since, yes? What is this was a ploy by TeamMueller to flush out somebody else?
     
  22. American Brummie

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    Occam's Razor, people. McClatchy story not verified by others. Cohen insists he was not there. Mueller has not withdrawn cooperation.
     
  23. soccernutter

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    You're using Occam's Razor with this conspiracy? You crazy?
     
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  24. superdave

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    Compelling point.
    More compelling point.
     
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  25. American Brummie

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    It's 100% probable that Michael Cohen was involved in collusion with the Russians. He has admitted that he committed crimes at Trump's direction. Roger Stone has, too. We do not *need* a story about Prague to be true for all these things to have occurred.
     
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