Mueller indictment thread

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    So a kindler, gentler fascism.
     
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  2. song219

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    You sure they haven't done this already?
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    So the Stone trial is a thing - this thread has coverage

    Seems like Stone was plan and simple the point man between WL and Trump - co-ordinating on the DNC email drop

     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Stone is so busted for perjuring himself before congress

    he blatantly lied about large amounts of digital comms he had with Credico

     
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  6. ceezmad

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    Well good thing for him that perjury in congress is no longer punishable.
     
  7. roby

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    Not sure if I should rep your post or not. Nancy's parents were Annunciata M. D'Alesandro (née Lombardi) and Thomas D'Alesandro Jr., who both had Italian roots. The only time Italians compete against one another is on St Valentines Day. :unsure:
     
  8. roby

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    Emails....lock her up! :p
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    For anyone wanting to follow the trial - this twitter thread is a go-to

     
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    It is the crux of the case against him

    https://www.vox.com/2019/11/4/20938848/roger-stone-trial-bannon-trump-impeachment
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    In an admin full of slimy creatures, Rog might be near the top. He gives me the heebie jeebies.
     
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  12. dapip

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    He’s a weird mixture of the Penguin and the Joker from the 1960s, with a pinch of an old Bond’s villain.
     
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  13. Dr. Wankler

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    He's the guy that connects Trump back to Nixon, suggesting that Trump isn't an aberration so much as he's the latest manifestation of the slimiest part of the GOP
     
  14. superdave

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    I wonder if there’s a book out there that is over a decade old yet still explains trump. That would be cool.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    So I must admit I had not paid attention to Stone since the Mueller report but here is the conspiracy laid out in black and white.

    At this stage the prosecutors are not going so far as to say WL is GRU, but they don't need to because Stone is clearly coordinating with them in the furtherance of the original felonies in terms of hacking/stealing the Dem emails. He then clearly commited felonies in attempting to obsturct justice. So like any seasoned prosecutor, Mueller shot him down with the crimes which were easiest to prove.

    But in simple terms, Stone acted as the cut out between Trump and Assange and Assange was in fact the Russian cut out.

    As Wheeler explains, one begins to understand why Mueller did not charge this directly. Especially as, thanks to Trumps obstruction of justice and insertion of Barr at the DOJ, charging any of that stuff was going to be politically very difficult.

    I raise all this by way of explanation to the many people wondering how the abundant evidence that not just Stone, but Trump himself, worked to optimize the release of the stolen emails did not get charged. Mueller considered it, and in part for reasons that we should all respect, did not charge it.

    All that said, people experiencing cognitive dissonance should remember something else.

    Mueller’s Report only addressed crimes he charged or declined to charge. It did not — he said explicitly on page 2 — address collusion. And while Bill Barr tried to define “collusion” as “conspiracy between the campaign itself and the Russian government,” and having done so exonerated Trump of all collusion, the report itself does not do so.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/11/...nce-of-learning-about-roger-stones-collusion/
    So there is no great mystery here, and we can see clearly why Trump also ought to have been removed as President for obstruction - contrary to the nonsense of people like Taibbi & Greenwald.

    There is a "there" there
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Wheeler puts it in her own words. Unlike Ukraine, the conspiracy is hard to explain, and lacks a Trump tape

     
  17. American Brummie

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    Written by a Ron, perhaps? :)
     
  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Oh yeah, there is one:


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  19. ToMhIlL

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    Who? You mean A. Ron Hubbard? He could write a book about the cult of Trumpism
     
  20. chaski

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    Over 150 years old

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  21. American Brummie

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    I'm referring to the author of "Nixonland."
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    If you guys are not interested in the Stone trial, I won't continue to post about it.
     
  23. russ

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    Huh?Keep going,we just doing some memes while we wait.
     
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  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #3899 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Nov 8, 2019
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    Feel free to contjnue. When he's convicted he'll make some crazyass speech referencing Nixon, his love of America and justice and maybe ask the judge if he'll have enough time to get that horrific tat removed from his back.
     
  25. song219

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    He'd save money by just waiting to go to prison and having a new tat done over his old one.
     

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