Mr. Josmer Volmy Altidore

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  1. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    Jozy talking about injury. Notes that he played injured from the semi-finals of the 2017 MLS up with torn ankle ligaments and bone chips. Jozy is a hard dude.
     
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  2. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    How do you explain why he jogs around with a lack of urgency and can't pressure the opposition for 90 minutes when healthy?
     
  3. 50/50 Ball

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    I don't explain a straw man that you made up.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/joz...league-soccer-greg-vanney-sebastian-giovinco/

    One of the “other things” Altidore does is act as TFC’s first line of defence. He routinely harries and tries to close down opposing defenders when they try to bring the ball out from the back, giving his defence more time to reset after Toronto loses possession. His tireless efforts on the defensive end haven’t gone unnoticed by Vanney.

    “He does an incredible amount of unselfish work defensively. At times, we don’t necessarily look at forwards in that way, but he’s done a huge amount of work and contributed a ton in terms of our overall defensive [posture] from the forward position,” Vanney stated
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  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We may still Jozy. Bobby wouldn't score on a barn door, Novakovich has five goals in a league where there are defenders with seven, Gall scores in a league weaker than MLS, Sargent looked out of his depth, Haji makes one admire Wood, Amon got himself benched & Weah is a sub player in a weak league where his team is absolutely dominant.
     
  5. Jazzy Altidore

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    Sep 2, 2009
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    Just see the second tweet for an example of Jozy's great hustle at T&T.
     
  6. 50/50 Ball

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    Wow. I am now converted because you found an example of a forward jogging.
     
  7. 50/50 Ball

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    The continuing problem we have is that Jozy is a good forward for a fan base that is dreaming of a great one and often suffers from the fallacy of infinite choice.
     
  8. Jazzy Altidore

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    Sep 2, 2009
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    He actually stops jogging altogether and makes no effort to win the ball back after his mistake in the biggest game of the cycle. This is emblematic of Jozy the player for the national team.
     
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  9. puttputtfc

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    #1284 puttputtfc, Feb 23, 2019
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    Jozy is not a good forward past a certain level. He can play MLS, Eredivisie, CONCACAF semis but at a higher level can no longer produce.

    This is absolutely true. The expectations put on young Jozy weren't fair and some folks attack him for not being what they wanted him to be.
     
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  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I watched Match of the Day and saw the Burnley-Spurs match. There's Chris Woods. A big dude. Kiwi actually. I kept thinking what might have been of Jozy. He played for 2 crappy sides in the PL. But so have many other traditionally English-style center forwards and made bread and butter of winning balls and battling for a goal.

    Though, maybe Jozy should have gone to Ligue 1 or Serie A when he was contemplating leaving AZ.

    We all hoped for a Dempsey 2.0 in England. I guess we're still waiting.
     
  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The expectations placed on a 17 y/o Jozy were reasonable. Hell, Villarreal were high on him as well. It's a numbers game, though.

    I would liked to have seen Jozy play in a team tactically set up to maximize his strengths. Klinsmann, Arena, and his EPL coaches all wanted him to play as a back-to-goal center forward, which was totally not his game.
     
  12. butters59

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    Feb 22, 2013
    Ironically he is exactly GB Columbus #9.
     
  13. 50/50 Ball

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    I think he is actually learned to be pretty good as a hold up man at TFC. That time in Sunderland wasn't for nothing.
     
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  14. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    Both him and Bradley (vs Colombia) , screwing up and then pretending it was somebody else fault with arm reaction

    This is the result of Complacency. When Garber 100% will always be there for you, you start to slip.

    But in general Jozy has been better than Bradley in this regard, so I still like Jozy.

    Bradley has been known to physically touch or verbally/electronically attack former USMNT players who criticized his auto-90 place in the team.
     
  15. Jazzy Altidore

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    The thing is Jozy was never the strong man battling CF his body type would suggest him to be. He’s not strong in the air; we now have a CM in Weston Mckennie who does a much better job battling in that position.
     
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  16. Suyuntuy

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    Well, looks like Europe is rooting for Jozy: Weah's got benched. Not sure why, he was doing fine.
     
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  17. 50/50 Ball

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    I was looking for more time for Tim, not less.
     
  18. 50/50 Ball

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    https://www.torontofc.ca/players

    On a lighter note, there is no way that Jozy is really a buck 75. NO WAY. TFC's roster says Jordan Hamilton is 10 Lbs heavier. This is like Kevin Durant being listed at 6'9".


    Jozy Altidore
    17 Forward -
    Livingston
    AGE: 29
    HT: 6' 0" WT: 175
     
  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Jozy is 6'1 but he apparently looks far bigger.
     
  20. Suyuntuy

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    Let's put it this way: I wouldn't want to pick a fight with Jozy in a bar.
     
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  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    how about at your local Greyhound station?
     
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  22. Jazzy Altidore

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    Sep 2, 2009
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    Punishment for his excitable reaction after the last match.
     
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  23. butters59

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    Feb 22, 2013
    Yes, it's better to find some smaller guys. Like Ozzy Alonso or Chara.
     
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  24. SamsArmySam

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    And now we turn our sights to Sargent.

    Circle of life.
     
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  25. 50/50 Ball

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    I hope he's a golden boot type genius for the next 20 years.
     
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