Post-match: Montreal Impact - San Jose Earthquakes (Saturday, 7/14) postgame thread [R]

I would be extremely pleased if that were the case. But it's Jesse that should be sick of Magnus and his dishonorable way of playing.

 

all of a sudden the Mercury News is keenly aware of, and interested in, what's going on with the Quakes...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/14/san-jose-earthquakes-have-little-defense-for-this-result/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/15/wondo-to-earthquakes-fans-stop-blaming-the-coach-for-woes/

...what sort of weird, alternative universe are we living in?

 

Fioranelli is on the hook alone for hiring Stahre, the responsibility lies squarely on his shoulders and he should own up to that fact.

 

Wondo is turning into a company man, what a useful tool he is for the front office.

 

I think he's telling us not to believe our lyin' eyes...c'mon Wondo, I get that he's in a tough position but those post game, on-the-field ayso pep talks/team scolding's alone are the most amateur hour thing I've ever seen a pro coach do.

 

It's news, and therefore it is appropriately being reported. Welcome to the big leagues. And at least Elliott Almond's second article indicates the unavailability of Godoy and Alashe to comment the night of the game and until Monday, when the team returns from Montreal. Good for Elliott. Hopefully he stays on this story to get to the bottom of it.

 

indeed, I guess we should be thankful that they've noticed the home team, even if it is to highlight our misery and dysfunction. not sure about your "Welcome to the big leagues" sentiment though, the merc has never treated the Quakes as big league.

let's hope so.

 

What I mean is that, as MLS becomes a mainstream major league in this country, the scrutiny is going to be far greater. The Quakes, and the league as a whole, are not accustomed to it and it shows. The Quakes may actually believe they can lie about non-existent player injuries; they have been encouraged in this by, for example, the Tommy Thompson ebola episode during which the media abdicated.

The shit show in Montreal was not even the biggest one in MLS yesterday. When your brand new stadium is falling down, that gets noticed. As I say, welcome to the big leagues.

 

Say what now???

 

See latest posts in the Avaya Stadium thread.

 

At least he's playing to some portion of his wages. Meanwhile our defense and goalkeeper, as low-paid as they are, are not even playing up to even 1% of their pay.

We should be criticizing those asshats long before we criticize Vako.

Defensive hustle? For the love of God, the guy is an attacker, let him attack without having to worry that every failed attack is going to end up in the back of the net due to our horrendeous (but hardworking LOL) defense and goalkeeper.

And ballhog? C'mon, the best chance last night while we were still 1-0 was Vako picking out Hyka with a short pass while being surrounded by 3 defenders, which Hyka then promptly shoot right into the keeper.

After that he took the chances himself. Can you blame him? Hoesen was invisible last night, so Vako was the only attacker that could finish something and he took it upon himself to try.

 

You should be. He's a guy who lacks defensive hustle AND offensive hustle. He scored, what, 5 goals in his recent 2 seasons here?

 

Salinas is also an amazing defender. It’s Tarbell who has let him down by allowing the goals to go over the line.

 

Oh yeah, I agree entirely. Salinas is an amazing defender, very hardworking, just no talent. Just like how you all liked your defenders in here, right? Pffft

 

He’s the best defender in the league. If only the GK could play his position correctly and keep clean sheets every single game.

 

I know, right? But why should we blame the goalkeeper (and in turn the defense) when it's easier to scapegoat Vako instead?

 

Vako's (and Godoy's) midfield giveaways are connected to Shea Salinas' poor defensive marking and Tarbell's poor shot blocking. (But at least Shea gives a full effort, and can point to being played out of position as an excuse).

 

No one scapegoated Vako for this game. He was hardly even mentioned in any of the game threads. However, soccer is a team sport.
If you don’t understand that defenders need to push up for the attacks, that midfielders need to help offense and defense, and that forwards should drop to help relieve the midfielders, you’re missing the point of this team sport.
It’s not fussball, where you’re stuck to a single position.

 

Wondo is doing what a responsible player / leader would do (and BTW TT retweeted). He's taking it on himself and not blaming anybody. But I think the coach needs to be held accountable for the horrible results, especially when you consider that we had the same core group last year and did way, way better.

 

Attacking players will always make mistakes, and they will depend on a good defense and good goalkeeper to cover for them, that's the point of having a good defense and good goalkeeper. That's what we promised Vako when we signed him: that we would build the team around him. Knowing that he's an all-attack player, that means the first thing to be done would be to get a good goalkeeper and a good defense so that Vako can be freed up to do the job he was signed to do.

I never understand the fascination with Vako's "lack of defensive hustle". We signed this guy knowing exactly how he is. We should have made peace with that a long time ago, and focus our criticism on the horrendous D and goalkeeper who are singlehandedly losing games for us.

Same with hockey. When a goalie is shit, the entire team plays tentatively, as they know that if they pursue the attack, their goalie will fail them whenever they make a mistake during the attack. A good goalie allows the attacker the peace of mind to pursue attacks.

 

When there’s an attack in hockey do only the forwards go up and the defending 2/3 players stay on their half and offer no support?

When a team is being attacked, do the forwards stay at midfield and offer no help to the defensive play?

 

Practically every game leading to this one there's always been some complaints for Vako. When he does well and play out of his mind, nary a praise was given.

I understand that it is a team sport. But a striker is at fault if he cannot put in the goal from the fullback. And a defender and goalkeeper are the main ones at fault for letting the goals into the back of the net. We need to lay the blames correctly instead of constantly criticizing another player way up the chain.

 

Depends. A team with great goalie and great defenders will let their defenders roam, ala Brent Burns with the Sharks. And even then it's not like you will see the defender involved in the cycle that often.

And when that blows up in their face, a great goalie will be trusted to stop the counter attack when his defenders pinched badly or is caught up ice.

Forwards will come back to defend in hockey, generally the center will come back. But not all wingers will make it back on time to defend, and it's up to the defensemen and the goalie to make that initial defensive effort before relying on reinforcements from the center and secondary reinforcements from the attacking wingers. The idea is to break the puck out of the D zone before the wingers need to come back into the D zone for defense.

Wingers who have great goalie and great defenders can then cheat and stay up ice to wait for a breakout pass and start the attack immediately. That's what having a great goalie and defender can do for you: the wingers and centerman can attack freely without having to worry about constantly jetting back deep into their own D zone to help out the D.

 

Couple more things about the "incidents" last night.

If you listen to Stahre's postgame he is really stuttering and stammering. One might say that's because he's not being entirely truthful, but it could also be that he's a little stressed out and struggling with the language a bit.

Also, by Monday we are not likely to get the unfiltered accounts from Godoy and Alashe. It's going to have been smoothed over by then as much possible - via meetings to discuss what happened, etc., and there will be some kind of "company line" to toe and very carefully worded accounts.

 

So you’re saying they have to talk to the company lawyers before they comment?