Monday 20 Jan 2020

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Jan 19, 2020.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS preseason 2020: Five must-watch teams as opening day approaches
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...ch-teams-opening-day-approaches-charles-boehm

    Palmeiras wins 2020 Florida Cup, Atlético Nacional places second
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/ne...-florida-cup-atletico-nacional-places-second/

    LAFC's 3252 win Tifo of the Year by Independent Supporters’ Council
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/01/19/lafcs-3252-win-tifo-year-independent-supporters-council

    Inter Miami opens training camp Monday. Here’s everything you need to know
    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/inter-miami/article239434148.html

    And so it begins: Red Bulls bring 30 players to their 1st preseason camp
    https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2020...bring-30-players-to-their-1st-preseason-camp/

    D.C. United adding safe-standing areas to Audi Field
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/01/19/dc-united-adding-safe-standing-areas-audi-field/

    Colorado Rapids: Younes Namli rounds out exciting roster
    https://mlsmultiplex.com/2020/01/19/colorado-rapids-younes-namli-rounds-exciting-roster/

    Chicago captures Ligue 1 striker Beric from Saint-Etienne
    https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2020/0...-etienne-transfer-news-slovenia-robert-beric/

    Football: James Musa signs with Minnesota United in MLS
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/football-soccer/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=12301865

    Sources: Philadelphia Union acquire Slovakia U-21 midfielder Matej Oravec | Tom Bogert
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...vakia-u-21-midfielder-matej-oravec-tom-bogert

    Report: Vancouver Whitecaps FC interested in Korean winger
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/01/19/report-vancouver-whitecaps-fc-interested-korean-winger
     
  2. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
  3. NeilB

    NeilB Member

    Mar 17, 2000
    Mount Kisco, NY
  4. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4 tomásbernal, Jan 20, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2020
    Well that'll make a lot of USMNT fans happy!

    EDIT: Why is he just now going to have the surgery when the injury happened during the MLS Cup? I personally could care less what his timeline is for recovery, but how does it make any sense to not have had the surgery immediately following the season, so he could be 3 months into recovery when the season starts?
     
    TOAzer and Bluecat82 repped this.
  5. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's possible he was holding off in facing the severity of his issue until he had grasped a new buncha money from TFC. Mikey's a player, for sure.
     
  6. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The article says why:

    The surgery wasn't scheduled sooner because, as Curtis explained, the club hoped he could avoid surgery and rehab the injury.

    "He stayed in Toronto for a tremendous part of the offseason and we really tried to work with him on his rehab as much as possible to try to get him to a point where he's returning to play full strength," Curtis continued. "Ankles are finicky. Sometimes they tend to take long to recover. You’ve got to be careful with those types of injuries and surgery is the last resort, typically, in terms of what you want to do."
     
    sitruc repped this.
  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what it sounds like (Jozy's comments as well as comments from journalists that follow TFC), it sounds like TFC's medical staff is not the best? The journalists have heard comments that seem to indicate the medical staff is frequently wrong on the best course for treating players and players spend more time in rehab than they should. In this case, they hoped that they would be able to rehab the injury and avoid surgery, but that obviously didn't work out.
     
    sitruc and tomásbernal repped this.
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again, that falls on the medical staff. Every player wants to get out on the field and play vs staying on the sidelines. Even if MB wasn't telling them to full extent of the injury, there are tests they can run and the staff should have experience enough to tell the true extent of an injury.
     
  9. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    The more logical assumption would be the player, club and doctors took what they thought would be the best option and it didn't work out as they hoped. Bradley was a huge investment that Toronto would have every reason to be well informed and get the best of care. Bradley himself was also relatively wealthy, extremely well connected and has a pretty assertive personality.
    Medical problems are often extremely complex and even the best doctors can often only make an educated guess about the outcome and not everything works out as hoped. Having the body heal itself usually has fewer risks and thus is the preferred option. I can speak from first hand experience from speaking to doctors that had photos of patients that also happened to be some of the most successful professional athletes in their sport.
     
    CMeszt and Sal Paradise repped this.
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is that based on comments I’ve seen this is a recurring problem with TFC’s medical staff.
     
  11. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seemed like whoever they hired when Giovinco came in did a great job with Jozy. Then when Giovinco left, there was some sort of bad blood and the Italian trainer dude left to. Jozy made a stink about it last year and I thought I remembered reading that TFC was going to bring the guy back, but never heard anything else about it.
     
    sitruc and Ismitje repped this.
  12. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    I think this sounds right and puts Jozy's comments in the proper perspective. If you've been as injury prone as he is, and something seemed to work, you might not buy the correlation without causation argument either. Especially if you choose to become a full-time soccer player in your teens rather than becoming a full time student.
     
  13. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Do you really think Bradley's just going to go along with TFC's medical staff if he has doubts about what they are recommending? Think Berhalter or dad wouldn't suggest going to get an second opinion for their specialists?
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think Bradley doubted what they were saying and may have agreed with them... My entire point is that the experts in the room, TFC's medical staff, don't seem to have the best reputation based on comments that I've seen from Altidore and the few TFC journalists that I follow. The implication that is being tossed about is that TFC's medical staff screwed up.

    It is also worth noting that the post to which you were originally responding seemed to be tossing Bradley under the bus for the delay. I was merely providing a counterpoint.
     
    sitruc repped this.
  15. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Would hardly be the first time someone blamed the MD for a bad outcome that was beyond their control.
     
    Bill Archer repped this.
  16. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    My point is that neither Bradley nor Toronto are likely to be at fault. I unfortunately spent a fair bit of time speaking to a variety of extremely good medical professionals specializing in sports medicine and know how difficult it can be at times to isolate what is going wrong. On the positive side I know little more than the common person about ankle injuries.
     

Share This Page