MLS v CSL

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by (They call him) RMc, Dec 20, 2016.

  1. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    the difference is that Chinese clubs won AFC Champions League, against south koreans, japanese, australian or arabian teams, while MLS clubs can't win CCL against mexicans and 2 costa rican teams.

    definitelly Al Hilal, Al Ain and many other arabian are better than Saprissa or Alajuelense. Al Ahly Dubai, Esteghlal, Al Sadd, Lekhwyia, etc etc ... the top 2 - 3 teams from each top leagues.

    And the East of AFC have more power than the West. Look at the leagues, Chinese, South Korea, Japan and Australia !! 4 leagues, 14 teams (+2, one Hong Kong, one Thailand). Much spectaculous, much support of fans, better media, news, rivalities, all is better in East.
     
  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The CSL experienced a setback today when Shanghai Shenhua (with Carlos Tevez and Obafemi Martins) failed to reach the AFC Champions League group stage against A-League side Brisbane Roar. Shenhua are in their preseason while Brisbane are in mid-season form but I am sure that excuse rings hollow at this point.



    City rivals Shanghai SIPG however did make it through and joined Guangzhou Evergrande and Jiangsu Suning in the group stage. Oscar got his first goal for SIPG.
     
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  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know before losing in the elimination rounds would mean playing in the lesser AFC cup, but this is no longer the case correct?

    I believe teams complained that they just lots tons of money playing against those type of teams.
     
  4. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The lesser ranked leagues (India, Malaysia etc.) still drop down to the AFC Cup but not the bigger Asian leagues like China and Qatar for example. They don't want to bother with the secondary AFC Cup.
     
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  5. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    After two match-days in the AFC Champions League the three CSL clubs have achieved 16 points (out of 18) in six matches. Players like Hulk and Oscar have started to perform:



    The same can not be said for the A-League. After six games they have exactly one point and a goal ratio of 2:20. Again, A-League clubs are in mid-season form while the other East Asian leagues are just starting. Mark Bosnich kicked off a panic of sorts, where everything is being questioned in the Australian game. Be it salary cap, league structure or player development.
     
  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think A-League is perfectly within its rights to start to panic. The A-League's quality has stagnated over the last few years, promising players are bailing to other leagues, and the national team seems to have backslid since they joined AFC. Everything about Australian soccer is a bit of a mess right now outside of the one thing that used to be a mess, how well the teams are supported by fans.
     
  7. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    Always two ways to see things, salary cap, financial balance, I think these ruls are good for Leagues which is at it's eraly years or trying to develope market, the problem for A-League, also J-League too under their financial balance policy, is the League could not produce Giant clubs or Powerhouse, which is important for success in continental tournament, even Urawa or Gamba could not keep relative dominance in J-League, say nothing of Aussie clubs who may enter new seaon with a totally different team compare with last season.

    meanwhile in the CSL, clubs could only fetch in 5 domestic players and 5 overseas players in transfer window, club could only register 27 players in their CSL squads, and 4 of them must be U-23 players, that means clubs have to maintain a majority of it's previously squads.

    anyway CSL is set to made salary cap and transfer fee cap according to newly published rules, and club have to use 15% of season budget in youth development, and set to introduce bankruptcy regulation, showing the CSL is aiming financial balance too.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which Chinese clubs?
     
  9. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Evergrande
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly.

    Evergrande have won CSL 6 years in a row finishing an average of 31 points above the 5th place team since 2011. Other Chinese teams have only reached the quarter-finals of the AFC CL once since 2006.

    I don't think you can judge CSL based on one team which significantly outspends every other team in the region.

    If LAG spent $79 million on salaries they'd probably run away with CCL every year.

    This is a good game, 5th vs. 14th last year. The blond goalie has a fantastic game.
     
  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man.. #17 on the green team had a really bad game. Kept getting behind the defense and then completely whiffing on the shot.
     
  12. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    To a degree, though, wasn't this bound to happen? The A League has a much lower ceiling compared to most Asian peers based on population and distribution, and I'm unsure if they'll be able to market themselves globally on a comparable scale over time. If anything I've felt they've been overachieving for some time by jumping so fiercely onto the "New Domestic League!" bandwagon before many other nations. Some great venues and climates but how deep can they go with their top flight, lower leagues, academies, etc?
     
  13. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    the CSM had announced that the new season of Chinese Super league will be broadcasted in 96 countries, Last season it was shown in 71 countries.
    Last week the Chinese Super League had been brought to three important market: Germany Italy and India.
    Dsport to broadcast CSL in India, Sportdigital to show the League in Germany,while Fox Sports Italy will broadcast CSL in Italy.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is broadcast in 140 countries.
     
  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure anyone that has followed A-League could say that they have been over-achieving. If anything, it's been the exact opposite. In many ways, A-League has mirrored MLS, where they came out of the gate with some success, fell into a period of struggle as they discovered running a soccer league is hard, and they are now starting to enter a period of increased interest in expansion clubs, but legacy teams continue to struggle. I would say that A-League is about where MLS was in 2007. They've had one highly successful expansion club (Western Sydney Wanderers) and this has boosted interest in further expansion. they just haven't added any other expansion clubs since WSW, so we don't know if WSW is an anomaly, or if it is a sign of further growth for the league.

    Not only that, but back in December they announced a new broadcast deal worth about $60 million a year over the next six years, which they should be able to use to increase their AUS$2.6 million salary cap. They've also had increases in sponsorships, attendances, etc, etc, so things seem to be turning around and they should be able to invest more in their development system.

    All in all, I think A-League has a lot of upside right now and, hopefully, it will continue to grow, but they need a few more successful expansions before we can see if it will continue or not.
     
  16. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    To be sure I wasn't knocking the A-League. Rather, I'm just super impressed with what they've achieved given their limited market size and relative economy. At least the smaller nations in Europe have a deeper history and cultural affinity for the sport, plus denser urban areas and the allure of the Champions League to bolster the appeal for local teams. Australia's remote, relatively new to pro soccer, and the dispersal of metro markets means it will be tough sledding to sustain growth compared to their peers. I wish them well, I'm just pragmatic about their options.
     
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  17. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Shanghai SIPG is starting to look like a team that could break Evergrande's dominance:



    Oscar, Hulk and Elkeson are playing well together.
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If LA Galaxy signed them they could break FC Dallas' dominance. But probably not.
     
  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #94 Nico Limmat, Mar 5, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2017
    But remember, no matter how much Guangzhou Evergrande splurge on foreign players they still have to adhere to the "3+1" foreigner rule in the AFC Champions League. That is not a restriction the LA Galaxy has to deal with. Every time they (Evergrande) perform at an international level they do it with seven Chinese players on the field.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the two leagues are incomparable. Let's see what happens in the World Cup.
     
  21. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Fortunately it doesn't really matter if the CSL takes several steps ahead of MLS. It's not going to affect MLS' place in our own domestic landscape, which is still the most immediate obstacle that has to be cleared if the league (and soccer in general for that matter) is going to hit new levels of relevance and quality in the U.S.
     
  22. (They call him) RMc

    Jun 1, 2013
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Every time they (Evergrande) perform at an international level they do it with seven Chinese players on the field.

     
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  23. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    All three CSL clubs progressed from the AFC Champions League group stage.

    Brisbane Roar, the Aussie team that eliminated Shanghai Shenhua in qualifying, did not.
     
  24. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
  25. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR

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