MLS to open office in Canada

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Robert Borden, May 16, 2017.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada


    Anyone knows for what purpose? We're trying to figure: Why now? For what purpose?
     
  2. NolbertoS

    NolbertoS Member

    Mar 7, 2007
    Vancouver, BC
    #2 NolbertoS, May 16, 2017
    Last edited: May 16, 2017
    Edit: Oh its you, Ansen. Nvm. Who knows MLS real intent.I
     
  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  4. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Bad press in Montreal regarding Garber's visit

    Translation: Slap in the face to Montreal regarding refusing to organize an All-Star game
    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/05/17/giffle-pour-montreal

    A few highlights of the article
    • Chicago was chosen over Montreal. Garber thinks Montreal "needs to do more in attendance". However, according to Soccer Stadium Digest, Chicago is 16th in the league in terms of attendance and Montreal is 8th. Even if you remove the opener at Olympic Stadium, that would still put Montreal at 14th, ahead of Chicago
    • According to the newspaper; Atlanta, Seattle and Toronto would have made more sense than Chicago


    USMNT and CanMT would develop more players if all the team in MLS had Montreal Impact training grounds facilities


    Piatti is perceived as one of the greatest MLS players in the history of MLS


    No expansion in Canada in the short and long term...Not that the CSA would allow it with the arrival of CPL

    All-Star game, not anytime soon
    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/20...u-au-canada-en-attendant-le-match-des-etoiles
    • He mentioned the 375th anniversary of the foundation of Quebec, before being corrected that it was Montreal's 375th anniversary
    • He had promised an All-Star game to Joey Saputo and the Montreal Impact but came back on his words by blaming inconsistencies in attendances...although it's still higher than Chicago
    • Garber wants Montreal Impact to be AS IMPORTANT as the other 2 teams...CFL Montreal Alouettes and...OMG the Montreal Canadiens...He clearly has no clue about the Montreal market...pigs will fly before that happens
    • He made a deal with the Chicago mayor stating that he was doing a lot for organizing events, kids program and building soccer fields for kids. He mentioned Montreal's mayor campaign to bring MLB back to the city...he barely hides his annoyance to the mayor having all his attention on baseball instead of his league
    • The newspaper points out how complex it is to have the true financial picture of the league
    • He wants MLS to beat Liga MX in Champions league...
    Conclusion: He's slowly becoming Gary Bettman V. 2.0. He pissed off more people than creating more excitement for the league...
     
  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    LOL. Are the Fire as big a deal in Chicago as the Bears and the Blackhawks? What about the Cubs?

    The best thing for MLS would be to move their headquarters beyond the provincialism fostered by being in the Big Apple. It would probably do wonders for the New York Times, as well.
     
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  6. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    #6 Zoidberg, May 19, 2017
    Last edited: May 19, 2017
    I'm sorry. Just laughed at loud on a conference call w Montreal and Toronto reading this.

    Using the word provincialism, and using it as a negative for certain aspects, but not for Quebec when it is involved in the discussion!!!!!!! That is beyond insane.

    BTW....my Toronto and French counterparts are forcing us in Boston to deal with the Montreal office because they are unbearable to work with, and they want nothing to do with them. The French, in Paris, think Montreal is unbearable!!!!!!!! LOL.


    Montreal pissed off, blaming others, acting arrogantly. Shocked I say! Shocked!

    Joey Saputo......hahahahahahahahahaha. I've dealt with his family personally.....hahahaha.

    Businesses and banks have been fleeing to Toronto for a reason...even the HQ of Bank Du Montreal l(!)....no matter what PR BS is spun.

    Medieval, arrogant, provincialism on a scale so grand it makes it an impossible place to get things done.

    Edit....As Montreal gets off the call verbatim from my Toronto Director of Ops "it's like dealing with spoiled children who are really bad at what they do".:D

    Funny stuff.

    ....also, anyone who knows anything about Joey, and how he has acted, and what he has said historically will only chuckle at the thought. Maybe he needs to do a better job. Dad's money, and political and criminal influence will only get you so far in the sports arena.

    Also, as a sidebar, Bettman's aggressive NHL expansion...while pushing the limits then, has actually been an overall benefit to the game over a decade later. Footprint wise, money wise, involvement wise, TV wise you name it. It also forced Canadian rinky dink markets to step up and become more big league and professional. The Nordiques were a running joke as Borden should know from their nickel and dime, backwater op rep. Now you have modern teams (office/facilities) across Canada, even the smaller markets that were abandoned, and that can be traced back to Bettman.

    Hope DG keeps failing like that, and keeps being hated in Montreal. I don't look at that as a bad thing.
     
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  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'd stick to criticizing Joey Saputo instead of most of the province. I don't like how Saputo does business either but there are some very competent team owners in the province, just starting with the Alouettes and the Molson with the Montreal Canadiens. Quebecor seems to be doing a good job with the Quebec Rempart while Jacques Tanguay is linked to the Quebec City CPL team. Tanguay used to own the Rempart and he's credited for the Laval Rouge et Or, which is the best of Canadian football historically.

    As for the editorial, they did acknowledged that cities such as Seattle, Toronto and Atlanta are deserving of the All-Star game, but the reasons given by Garber were BS and I have to agree. Bashing the fans that helped further add notorierity to MLS by solding out Olympic Stadium for playoffs and making it to the CCL finals against América is beyond stupid and just bad business sense. It was a bad press conference which gave fans a very negative view of the league, Garber didn't help his case in attracting more fans by making a Gary Bettman of himself. We'll endure it for hockey, but don't expect people to put up with it with soccer, especially when CPL is around the corner
     
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  8. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    This.
     
  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The attendance excuse was just an excuse to give without really much thought to it.

    Fact is, no one wants to see Real Madrid play the All-Stars in Olympic Stadium other than people in Montreal and a few other crazies.

    Playing outdoors on grass in the Middle on the United States in the third largest market is what both MLS and Real Madrid want.
     
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  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Then he should have said Montreal gets it next year and just say Saputo Stadium is too small for that game

    Even Montrealers have the common sense to agree to that. The whole attendance thing is literally taking people for idiots and that's what kissed off people.

    Anyhow, once CPL surpasses MLS (In Canada) he'll only have himself to blame.
     
  11. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    They're not pissed off by the discriminatory double-standard implicit in Garber's remarks?

    Chicago has had attendance problems. Both New York and Los Angeles have had attendance problems but the league nevertheless doubled-down by adding a second team (in LA's case by doing so after subtracting the previous second team).
     
  12. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He and I (and about three hundred million other people) will be over in a corner, anxiously holding our collective breath.
     
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  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    With all due respect, CPL is not about 300 Million Americans. It's about and for 36 Millions Canadians.

    Also with all due respect, TV ratings in Canada for MLS is crap. CPL doing better over time is inevitable.
     
  14. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure it is.
     
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  15. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I can post proof but outside of the playoffs between Toronto and Montreal and the MLS Cup, ratings in Canada is crap.

    CFL is way ahead of MLS. You don't have to like it and I'm not sure why you're ticket off about it. But it's the truth.
     
  16. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't referring to the ratings part. I was referring to this rather dubious claim of yours that MLS is going to fall behind this CPL.
     
  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Once and for all.

    • Will MLS fall behind CPL in North America? NO

    •Will MLS fall behind CPL in Canada? It's inevatable.

    The 3 teams are trapped within their markets, while the rest of the country will get CPL franchises.

    Again. The rest of the country are uninterested in MLS. Of course CPL will surpass MLS in Canada.
     
  18. Lentil Soup with Beans

    Portland Thorns/Timbers
    Azerbaijan
    Mar 28, 2017
    The Dinner Table
    lol whatever dude, history says that without the big 3 and with them no league has been bigger than MLS in Canada. oh btw how many teams are "in" the CPL? how many of them have played a game? its the ca version of todays nasl. that is all.
     
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  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #19 Robert Borden, May 21, 2017
    Last edited: May 21, 2017
    Why do you care what happens in Canada anyways? You don't see me bashing MLS and calling it second tier to Liga MX, because that's what it is and it ain't even close

    Past Canadian leagues have failed with the big 3 in it. Thanks for the attempt at the history lesson but I'll pass. It had more to the to structure and failed business plan than having the big 3 in it.

    Oh by the way, the big 3 markets will have CPL franchises.

    •over 12 markets are going to bid for a franchise

    •Minimum salary paid in CPL will be around the CFL which is 53k. Way above NASL who will fold sooner rather than later.

    •Curling has higher TV ratings than MLS in Canada...CPL can't so worse, especially when it's the CFL owners that are the backbone of the league that will push the marketing out...

    Lol...CFL with 9 clubs have a better TV contract than MLS, similar attendances and higher viewership than MLS...with only 9 clubs... So before trying to be a smart...you know what...get your facts straight.
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Relative to population they're much better than in the US.
     
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  21. Lentil Soup with Beans

    Portland Thorns/Timbers
    Azerbaijan
    Mar 28, 2017
    The Dinner Table
    cus of the Cascadia Cup! I dont care about the mexician league since there are no MLS teams in it. You just dont like MLS. cpl at best with be the nasl.

    I asked you HOW MANY are in the CPL right now! not how many "might be in" so whats the highest rated and $$$ big SOCCER contract in Canada for a Canadian League in soccer?

    While I do LOVE the CFL how are their rating compared to the NFL? Who has the biggest tv contract?

    How old is the CFL vs MLS VS CPL?
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canadian Championship - Canada's premier soccer competition

    Ottawa Fury FC 1–0 FC Edmonton A
    Attendance: 2,567

    FC Edmonton 2–3 Ottawa Fury FC
    Attendance: 2,591

    Why such low attendances when they are playing for the right to play one of the biggest clubs in North America?
     
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  23. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No one cares about USL or NASL who are both American leagues. They're not even on TV in Canada so good luck with the crowd.

    That's a reflection on the league...more so than Canadian fans. And I could pull stats on how bad those 2 leagues draw within the US
     
  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    What about it?

    Of course you don't. They are better than MLS and you're the type to not care about anything you or your country aren't the best at. Funny you care so much about MLS perception in Canada while not caring about Liga MX...who has way higher viewership in the US than MLS...now that's funny

    Superior at kickoff. Higher quality, higher wages, better ownership, and it won't be folding like NASL

    Confirmed? 2. The next 4 will be announced within 90 days.

    At kick-off? Guaranteed 6.

    Bids? 12

    Goal? 16 within 10 years.

    Contract? That's nothing to brag about. That's why Europe laughs at MLS. Overpaying players past their prime. Altidore and Bradley are good, but no leagues in their right minds would pay them $7M a year. Drogba getting the money he gor in Montreal was a joke.

    CPL is unlikely to do that.

    Viewership in Canada? CFL. TV Contract in Canada? You're free to enlight me, the deal between Bell Media and NFL is confidential unless they change the way they do business.

    To answer your question since you have this need to be proven right...although the context of CPL if different... NFL has the overall biggest contract...its not even close.

    In regards to CPL, I never address the USA and always conceeded that MPS will be the bigger league in the foreseeable future.

    Yet, you keep bashing the CPL or anyone who dares say the truth, MLS isn't that big in Canada and a domestic league is what's needed.

    I don't hate MLS, but I don't like to appreciate when the commissioner cross the border just to troll us and take us for morons. I don't hate it, I just prefer Canadians having their own league, just like you could care less about Mexico but for some reason, you can't sleep at night if someone dares say that your league is not that big in a foreign country
     
  25. Lentil Soup with Beans

    Portland Thorns/Timbers
    Azerbaijan
    Mar 28, 2017
    The Dinner Table
    well since you are bragging about the cpl = cfl so well mls = nfl right? cpl is nothing till they play a game at least the nasl has played several years. so who is your favorite team? a team in canada? or is it a bleu team all the way in england? mine? Right in Portland that would be the Thorns and the Timbers! MLS is the biggest soccer league in NA you cant deny that, yet you act like this cpl like the nasl will topple all those that have come before.

    As for the Cascadia Cup guess you dont know its history.

    So what kind of numbers are these 14 other yet to be named teams need to pull to survive? 2k? 3K 16? 23? 28? 35?

    If the MLS isnt a big factor in this why is the cpl copying the MLS, yes THE MLS, model of operations?
     

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