MLS Flavors of the week: 2019 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Sombrerito, Dec 20, 2018.

  1. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We were playing Villafana and Beasley in 2017 quals so I feel like we were firmly in the playing solid pro territory.

    What do you think of his defense? I felt like he was a plus as they made the CCL run.
     
  2. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Morrow was called in by Arena and discarded. He was called in by Sarachan and discarded. He is old now.
     
  3. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very true.

    Morrow got his first cap and start under JK at Cupcake 2013, he was OK against a bunkering Canada. IIRC, 2 months later with Johnson and Chandler injury-unavailable he was called into the camp for the 2nd and 3rd HEX matches. After 3 days in camp Klinsmann had the now famous conversation which DMB recounted as taking 10 seconds: "Beas are you OK with playing LB"? Answer: "sure". That was that.

    We need to just accept that some of our players are just not international quality!
     
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  4. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are Villafana and Lovitz better?
     
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  5. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    somewhat surprisng news out of Charlotte today. Not only are they in, but theyre in in 2021.

    So Nashville, Miami 2020
    Austin, Charlotte 2021
    St Louis, Sacramento 2022

    thatll round it at 30. I think we will be standing pat for awhile.
     
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  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy


    Another example of need to call in before a certain age, probably 25, but I havent made a deep study of it. Old dog new tricks thing kicks in at some point.

    I try to bring it up once in a while because I think too many of our managers have had a "this is no time for experiments" attitude (as they prepare for a friendly vs. Nepal) or they think they will wait for the player to develop further.

    Over the years the counter-argument was always that the national team doesn't develop players - it had to happen at club. This lead to overlooking the Matt Hedges', Finlays', Morrows' and finding out too late that it's too late for them when it comes to the international game. What to do? Call Sciaretta, get the CYA thesis ready for publication, decry "talent gap" in 28 yr olds.

    Having said all that, Morrow did develop very late and found the right team in Toronto where he could do that up and down wing-back thing. I believe he is the only wingback to score a hat trick in MLS.
     
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  7. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Funny but true. Croatia gave a 30 year old MLS striker guys first cap this year. I guess their coach is a bit more flexible.
     
  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Villafaña this year? No. Lovitz any year? No.
     
  9. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what people said when the league hit 20, then 24.
     
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  10. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is that?
     
  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I wonder how many incremental Americans will be added to the total MLS rosters when all these teams join. I’m hoping it’s a large percentage but I’m thinking it won’t be.
     
  12. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who the hell knows. For all the potential improvement in domestic talent via academies, the league sure seems happy to water it all down with quick expansion. It really muddies the water for those of us interested in judging whether and to what degree the academy focus that started however many years ago (5?) is successful.
     
  13. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    hopefully we can see a large number of DA teenagers sold to the majors. That would be a huge indicator of DA success IMO and hopefully a profitable one for good academies.
     
  14. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    #3139 Excellency, Dec 18, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2019
    We don't have a thread for how many teams we should aim for and how they should be separated/ scheduled.

    At the moment I feel like we should have west, centra, southl and east with 10 teams each and north playing in the south the first 4 games (minimum).

    Vancouver-Seattle-Portland-San Jose-Sacramento-Galaxy-LAFC-(San Diego, Phoenix + 1)

    Houston-Dallas-SaltLake-Denver-KC-StLouis-Chicago-Minny-Austin-(SanAntonio,)

    Montreal-Toronto-NE-Nycf-Rbulls-Philly-DC-Columbus-Cincy-Pittsburgh

    Nashville-Atlanta-Charlotte-Miami-Orlando-?Tampa-Richmond-Birmingham-Louisville-Jacksonville?)
     
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  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    with 40 teams maybe we really could have promotion and regulation and two 20 teams leagues.

    FWIW, I’m not a pro/rel supporter.
     
  16. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    With 52 weeks in a year, it is fascinating figuring out the various trophy possibilities altho it's not easy. I'd like to aim at year round soccer with the exception of time off between the week before thanksgiving and the new year. I would also like to see competition with Mexico and, perhaps, conmenbol teams.

    I would ditch the US Open Cup for starters.
     
  17. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know for a fact that their targeting at least 40 teams.
     
  18. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I think it would work with the season starting in the south around Feb 1. You would create a culture of travelling fans, the idea being inspired by seeing Jets fans at Dolphins games in Miami in December, e.g. Chicago Fire fans would probably love to take a vacation on the redneck Riviera in Texas in February. There's plenty Canadians in Florida in February. Vancouver denizens wouldn't mind a trip to California in February, I'm sure. At the same time, the league would move the action north in the summer when somebody in Phoenix would be more than happy to leave the 120F heat for a nice day in Vancouver.
     
  19. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The money train of growing expansion fees provides a strong incentive for the league to continue to grow. At some point they'll need to find a new revenue stream, however.
     
  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure they'll stop until no more big money wants in. I do think they will have to split into divisions with promotion / relegation inside the MLS divisions but not including other non-MLS leagues. They'd be smart to go the Mexican route and have Spring and Fall champions and a game between both champions. US Open Cup would become more important instead of less as it gives MLS second division (or third down to infinity) chances to knock off and play teams in the top division. Rapid rises and falls based on two seasons a year and Open Cup play should leave plenty of trophies to win and lots of movement and interplay.
     
  22. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Vegas and/or Phoenix comes in with a 500 million plus expansion bid that checks all boxes, MLS aint saying no. Key of course being, checks off all boxes. I do suspect the expansion fee for 31 and 32 will skyrocket
     
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  23. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    It sucks for the fans, but I also wonder if we'll start seeing more battles to poach existing franchises like we kinda saw with the Crew and have seen quite frequently in other sports leagues in the US. I could imagine, say, Vegas, Phoenix, or San Antonio trying to poach a team like the Dynamo if those cities get shut out of the expansion slots and the Dynamo continues to struggle.
     
  24. maroonlaw

    maroonlaw Member

    Mar 26, 2015
    No doubt. But doesn’t that tend to recommend a bit more caution in projections about Otasowie?
     
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  25. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would definitely be in favor of a more regional game. That would surely help attendance and excitement.

    When SJ plays Orlando, nobody gives a crap except the hardcore fans. When SJ plays either LA team, all of a sudden sports radio acknowledges soccer, and the non-soccer fan can instinctively feel a desire to "Beat LA". It'd be nice to have that, plus more intense rivalries with Seattle, Portland, etc, more often.
     

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