MLS Flavors of the Week, 2018 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. USAMEX10

    USAMEX10 Member+

    Sep 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That’s just not Delgado’s game unfortunately he’s a pass first kind of guy. Lucky for him, he’s really good at it. Vanney took him off because of some sort injury hopefully he’s ok for the 2nd leg.

    Altidore and Osorio weren’t money today in there final ball
     
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  2. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    He wasn't injured. Delgado should move on. Toronto is too slow for him.
     
  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    oh my god nagbe has a clone
     
  4. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well you can prefer it. However the modern game at the higher levels sees players like Delgado regularly swing wide and they need to attack 1v1 on the dribble.

    Or they get replaced.

    Delgado got played into space wide right today and didn't attack. That's a problem when forecasting him to higher levels. You have to get by your mark and whip in crosses. Or penetrate centrally and play it on the floor.

    When you're an AM/winger, a 1v1 situation should always be to your advantage.
     
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  5. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    Bradley looked corpulent and slow. I am a bradley fan but while he had some positioning plays he looked like he was running in slow mo. Has he lost a step in the past 9 months?
     
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  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    yes, early on Delgado was 5 yds away and passed to him and MB couldn't gather the pass in and instead the ball almost went for a goal the other way. Time for Delgado to move on.
     
  7. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I disagree. I'm looking at 36' onwards just now and Delgado's teamwork leads to a great situation instead of a naïve 1v1 and loss of possession. Unfortunatley the ball ends up at the feet of Mavinga and is lost but I prefer the improvement of his position thru passing over the naïve 1v1 challenge which leads to nothing.
     
  8. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Why would you play Moor against Colorado on Saturday then put him in against Chivas for 90 on Tuesday? What was the point? Moor kept giving the ball away all night.

    So naïve.
     
  9. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    How about 40'55"? Delgado doesn't try to bull his way thru the china shop. Makes the square pass to Gio instead, who dummies to Jozy then receives the return pass for the attempt on goal. I'm lovin' it. Last thing I want to see is Delgado taking his man on 1v1 at which point everybody adjusts the defense and the initiative is lost. I guess we just have different futbol philosophies.
     
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  10. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Which makes him very predictable. In opposing coach who does any scouting at all, just has his players drop off him. The answer then is nobody is open and he is ineffective. I love the kids passing, but when you can only do one thing, it is very easy to defend.

    This looks like it has the typical path of an MLS career. Kid shows promise when under the radar, but won’t be able to make the next step. I hope I’m wrong for the sake of the team, but am interested to see your comments over the years if he follows his most likely path.
     
  11. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are an attacker and you can't beat your mark off the dribble then you are "as useful as tits on a bull". Against Chivas' low-block man marking scheme, TFC needed their players to win 1 v 1 duels.

    Chivas employs a man-marking approach to defending whereby opponents are chased all over the field, and both Bradley and coach Greg Vanney bemoaned Toronto's inability to take better advantage of the moments when one of their attackers got some separation from his opposite number.

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/concacaf...thless-streak-to-overcome-chivas-in-ccl-final
     
  12. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My philosophy is one should pass when it's warranted and attack 1v1 when it's warranted.

    That Delgado found himself in a situation where a square pass was the right option has nada to do with not attacking on the dribble in other situations.

    His passing/vision centrally is quite good. But when he swings wide the boy needs to learn to attack the endline and get in crosses or beat his man and create chances. That is simply what is asked and demanded at the high levels.
     
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  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #1063 IndividualEleven, Apr 19, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2018
    Week 7 US-eligible Whoscored Team of the Week
    player(score)team score

    --------------------Bruin(8.4)6.9----
    --------------------------------Kljestan(8.1)7.3--Mueller(7.9)7.3
    --Castillo(7.7)7.1---Hayes(8.8)7.2---Davis(7.9)7.2-------
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------Cannon(8.4)7.2
    ----Lima(7.3)6.8---Hedges(8.1)7.2------Horst(7.7)6.4--
    ---------------------------------------Bendik(8.1)7.3

    Player of the Week: Hayes Bruin Cannon
    U23 Player of the Week: Hayes Cannon Mueller

    Honorable Mention:
    GK:
    Maurer(8.0)7.2 Johnson(7.7)7.6 Bingham(7.6)6.8 Howard(7.6)7.1 Clark(7.5)6.9Miller (7.5)7.4 Tarbell(7.2)6.8 Irwin(7.2)6.5 Frei(7.1)6.9 Bush(7.0)6.4
    LWB: Harvey(7.3)7.4
    CB: Lillard(7.6)6.6 Birnbaum(7.6)6.9 Marshall(7.4)6.9 Zimmerman(7.4)7.4 Opara(7.2)6.8 Parker(7.2)7.2 Trapp(7.0)6.5 Anibaba(7.0)6.9 Long(7.0)7.2 Campbell(7.0)6.6
    RB: Cannon(8.4)7.2 Zusis(7.9)6.8 DeLeon(7.7)6.9 LM: Agudelo(7.1)6.9
    CM: CRoldan(7.8)6.9 Feilhaber(7.8)7.4 McCarty(7.4)6.6 Kitchen(7.3)6.8 Caldwell(7.3)6.9 Alashe(7.1)6.8 Alexander(7.0)6.8 Ulloa(7.0)7.2
    FW: Sapong(7.3)6.4 Dwyer(7.1)7.3
     
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  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Weekly Stats Leaders:
    stat: minimum player(total)

    Man of the Match: Bruin Hayes Lillard
    Goals: Bruin Dwyer Garza Hayes Mueller CRoldan Zusi
    Assists: Amarikwa Arriola Bruin Kljestan Manley Marshall ARoldan Yueill
    Last Man Tackle: Horst
    Clearance off the line: Duvall

    key passes: 3 Davis(3)
    dribbles: 3 Alexander(4) Agudelo(4) Hayes(3) Nerwinski(3) Castillo(3) Sweat(3) DeLeon(3)
    fouled: 3 Hayes(4) Mueller(4) Horst(3) Alashe(3)
    passing: 75 Besler 107 90% Opara 80 85% McCarty 87 93%

    tackles: 4 Cannon(9) Hayes(8) Kljestan(6) Long(6) CRoldan(4) Caldwell(5) Parkhurst(5) Lima(5) Alashe(5) Nerwinski(5)Lennon(5) Horst(4) Lillard(4)
    int: 5 Davis(7) Glad(6) Campbell(6) Hedges(5)
    blocked shots: 2 Dwyer(3) Glad(2) Moor(2) Campbell(2)
    Wenger(2)
    aerials: 5 Horst(7) Farrell(5)
    clearances: 7 Birnbaum(12) Glad(9) Opara(8) Hedges(8)
    Horst(8) Durkin(8) Farrell(7)
     
  15. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Rowe and Nguyen didn't even make NE's gameday roster.
    Damn.

    Tommy Thompson didn't make San Jose's gameday roster.

    CRoldan was moved to amid for much of the 2nd half. His collective WS at a-mid is 7.5 over 433 minutes.

    Union: if they're not going to add talent perhaps a change of formation is in order

    Durkin came off the bench to make 8 clearances in 10-man DC's 1-0 victory over Columbus.

    Agudelo came off the bench to get 4 dribbles. Each time he and other newly benched players have been subbed in, the game turned towards the Revs favor.

    Castillo continues to excel at left wingback.

    Sean Davis looks to have settled in as a pivotal deep-mid after last year's false start.

    Nick DeLeon at right back: is anyone feeling this?

    The sidelining of Feilhaber and Kljestan during the prime of their careers puzzles.
     
  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Friedel and Nguyen have been criticizing each other in the media. Really strange situation. They should just trade Nguyen.
     
  17. USAMEX10

    USAMEX10 Member+

    Sep 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Rowe injured his Left knee on 4/14. He'll be out 1-4 weeks
     
  18. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is too soon to be having the Hayes and Cannon discussions? Personally I'd wait a bit longer. Also very interested to see if Hayes and Acosta are paired and how they both look together.
     
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  19. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Coming around to Hayes. Really clean on the ball and good in tight space.

    Thread courtesy of @zlebmada

     
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  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    He didn't look fazed under pressure.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Given the longer maturation times for defenders, it's probably a little too soon for serious Cannon to NT discussion.

    On the other hand, Hayes looks the business. Gifs don't really capture what he does. Dude gets on the ball. and makes positive plays, time after time. Plays both sides of the ball quite well.
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Weekly U23 US-eligibles

    18:
    Durkin(DC)Sub_6.5 Bwana(6.2)RAM_6.2 Real(Phi)LB_5.9
    19: Adams(NY)CM_6.9 McKenzie(Phi)Sub_6.5 Trusty(Phi)CB_6.2 Farfan(Por)Sub_6.0
    20: Lennon(RSL)RB_6.9
    21: Mueller(Orl)RAM_7.9 Yueill(SJ)CM_6.6 ARoldan(Sea)RAM_6.6 Glad(RSL)CB_6.5 Manley(MU)Sub_6.5
    22: Hayes(FCD)CM_8.8 CRoldan(Sea)CM_7.8 Lillard(Chi)CB_7.6 Baird(RSL)LAM_6.3 Muyl(NY)Sub_6.0
     
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  23. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Has anyone watched much of Mueller? Is he just another Zusi (a player who can compile MLS stats but can't create at the international level) or is he an attacker who can beat high level defenders consistently to influence goals?
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zusi had two assists at the 2014 World Cup.

    Mueller looks to be a better athlete, with a more direct game from the flanks.
     
  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He averaged over a goal contribution per game in his last two years at Wisconsin, which is really good, but it's tough to judge with a player like him until they're thrown into the fire.

    The fact that hes playing this often, this well, and this soon says a lot of good things though.
     

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