MLS Flavors of the Week, 2018 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Picault scored twice, Rosenberry had two assists, Bedoya Scored, and Trusty/McKenzie anchored the defense in a dominant 5-1 victory. Miguel Ibarra who? He was largely invisible tonight.
     
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  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you’ve been able to watch enough Atlanta United games to know Tata, you know he doesn’t give a damn. If he could only play eleven players for 50+ games a year he would.
     
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  3. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    to some extent I definitely believe you are right. Probably, in part, the result of American sports relying heavily on the College system (MLS also). I know that this isn't news to you or most people on bs but perceptions are difficult to change.
     
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  4. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Ebobisse is 21. He is young in any league. Last year, he got over 300 minutes of playing time. Only 2 U-20s got more than 300 minutes in the B1 last year. The figure for the B2 was 1.
     
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  5. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huh? By B1, if you mean the Bundesliga, 17 German players younger than Ebobisse got over 300 minutes last year.
     
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  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    How many Americans in the last five years have left for Europe after turning 21? How many have left before turning 21?

    European teams want cheap, young Americans with "potential." They don't want K. Acosta, Roldan, Trapp, etc. Those players will almost certainly not play in Europe.
     
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  7. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And none of them were benched behind Dairon Asprilla.
     
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  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Referring to starter's minutes at forward.
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #3884 IndividualEleven, Oct 7, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2018
    It's not MLS's job to deliver 'cheap' young Americans to Europe. But let's go with what you're crying over:

    If Ebobisse starts earlier and bags a bunch of goals in MLS, do you think he is going to be cheap?

    Was Alphonso Davies cheap?

    Academy players are cheap, however, proven young pros, especially attackers, aren't.

    Also, given MLS's improved pay for starting XI types, there is less incentive for older players to go to Europe.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I thought it worthwhile to celebrate George Bello's first MLS goal with a video.
     
  12. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Replays during live play. No bueno, Univision.
     
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  13. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I'm mostly talking about salaries, and I think you know that. Once players get to 23, 24, 25, they likely aren't earning pennies. You are going to have to pay a lot for them.

    If you want to talk about transfer fees though, I think you know that a player is going to be more expensive when they are 25 than 18, assuming there's not a big difference in career trajectory between those ages.
     
  14. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is an ascending league in an odd spot. Not good enough now to develop and polish world class stars but they could be eventually. Right now it makes more sense for our best youth players to go abroad but not every league or team gives them an equal chance (it seems). Is there any way to graph how or if MLS has gained (or not) on the other leagues with salary and other tangible results?
     
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  15. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, every team is different and each player's development will be different. Look at Schalke... 4 top youth US prospects on that team that have been starters for our national youth set up. McKennie is 20 and starting and scored a goal in the Champions League and is a regular for our national pool; Haji is 20 was loaned to B2; struggled; and is now on the U23 team; Nick Taitague is 19 and has had some injury issues and seems to flip between U19 and U23 teams; Zyen Jones is 18 and playing for the U19s. Any of those players could still develop and become major contributors, but it does show that different players will have different trajectories.
     
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  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Sigh. Let's go back to the original two statements.

    Ebobisse turned 21 this year. In last season's Eredivisie, only 5 players under the age of 21, got more than 300 minutes of starter's time at forward. 43 players in all got more than 300 minutes of starter's time at the position. Of the 21 players with more than 1000 minutes of starter's time at forward, only 1 was under 21. 21 is a young age for a forward.

    Two obvious reasons fewer Americans in the last five years have left for Europe after turning 21: the missing generation and improved starting XI pay. Why leave when you can get $500k-$1 million? Hamid left. Kitchen left. Gall left. The first two came back to juicy MLS contracts at the first sign trouble in their Euro-adventures. Gall had no choice but to stick it out in Europe; and good for him.

    While at Portland, Nagbe received an offer from Celtic. Columbus Crew received an offer for Trapp. Acosta was planning to leave but then got injured. Zimmerman, whose contract runs out this year, has received interest.

    MLS is a second tier league; the higher valuations are going to skew heavily toward young players who have excelled in the league at a young age. Altidore. EPB. Miazga. Convey. Davies. Trapp. Beasley. Johnson. Adu. But European teams have shown interest in highly paid mid-career and older MLS players. Sometimes the MLS clubs haven't been interested. Other times, the players turned down offers.
     
  17. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The "league" part is easy to explain. Germany has lax foreign player laws that allow them to purchase more foreign players on cheaper salaries. So, this makes them unlike even the Eredivisie, which has a large Non-EU minimum salary of 200K for 18-19 year olds, and 400K after that.

    England is thought because of work permits obviously, but the other leagues surely have their own rigamarole.

    Anyway, point being, prospects go to Germany because of rules, it's not a coincidence.
     
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  18. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    First half of DC/Chicago was sluggish and sloppy. DC controlled play, so Mihailovic hasn't seen much of the ball. He did, though, set up a nice chance with a couple minutes left.

    Canouse has been his usual solid self, and Arriola is doing OK playing RB, doing more attacking than defending.
     
  19. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe Arriola got the assist on Rooney’s goal.
     
  20. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know if Arriola would be a NATs starter but he could be a useful off the bench Swiss Army knife who can play adequately at RB, wing, and inside.
     
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  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Carleton had 2 assists against the Charleston Battery.
     
  22. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Olsen could have been up for coach of the year if he had integrated Durkin with Canouse but he chose to "Brown" Durkin on the bench instead.

    Pity.
     
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  23. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    Haven’t looked it up but from my recollection he shouldn’t have. He shot the ball towards goal, Rooney redirects the goalbound shot forcing a parry right back to him which he finishes. No assist but key pass. Or maybe it counts as a hockey assist.
     
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  24. Streetlight

    Streetlight New Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm on the Durkin train but Moreno has been playing excellently and is the clear choice right now. Durkin has been getting sub minutes and will jump right back in while Moreno is with Venezuela.
     
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  25. Streetlight

    Streetlight New Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3900 Streetlight, Oct 8, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2018
    Sure, but he did well to knife through the defense and put the ball in a dangerous spot. I think he could do well for the USMNT in the Zusi role, so to speak.
     

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