PBP: MLS 2019 Season Week 19 Game Thread (R)

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  1. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    ...and another meh week of MLS comes to an end.
     
  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Props to the sideline woman for her proper pronunciation of “dur-bee.”
     
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  3. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The entire stadium was open for the Gold Cup.
     
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  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From a Laws of the Game standpoint, the referee has the final decision so if he says throw in, that's fine.

    From a management standpoint, what the ever loving ******** was that?
     
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  5. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    The linesman clearly called corner but the ref and the Red Bull’s assumed it was a throw because it never looked like a corner. What I don’t understand is why the ref can’t call that back? That was a pretty awful look for the league.
     
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  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Optics were horrendous. Absolutely terrible, but I have no idea at the moment what actually transpired between the ref and the AR.

    If the referee clearly and verbally announced the restart was a throw, NYC should look inward for the ultimate blame.

    If on the other hand, the referee simply signalled a direction, the restart was ambiguous, and you should never allow an ambiguous restart like that.

    The other question is if the AR did his part by making eye contact with the ref and/or using the radio to inform him of his opinion. You shouldn't just blindly signal, especially if there's a good chance that the ref has a better angle.
     
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  7. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    ********. I've gone back 20 or so pages in the attendance thread to find in May that the tarped sections have changed some even for the Galaxy game and somehow completely forgot the Gold Cup.
     
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  8. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe he said that to cover his assistants ass.
     
  9. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The AR had corner from what I've been told. It wasn't a mistaken signal but a disagreement that should have been handled more definitively IMO.
     
  10. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    My total guess is the ref didn’t even realize his linesman called corner and just didn’t know how to handle from there.
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Written responses to pool questions. IMG_20190714_212409.jpg
     
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  12. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    Sean Johnson with a save in ET. Truly a corner has been turned.
     
  13. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Or a throw, Or something.
     
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  14. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    #289 Peretz48, Jul 14, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2019
    The communication on that call was very poor. While it is true that the ref has the final say the NYCFC players had clearly seen the AR point to the corner flag, and they reacted as any team would as far as setting up their goal defenders, but with the understanding that time was needed to set the ball at the corner flag, etc. Kelly had a responsibility in overruling the corner to blow a whistle and either he or the AR should then have signalled for the throw in. Additionally, if the AR saw that a quick throw in was being taken he should have taken responsibility for his CK signal and gotten Kelly's attention. I can't blame the Red Bull players, but the ref crew blew it. I don't know what happened after the game, but if I were Torrent steam would be coming out of my ears.
     
  15. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    I am inclined to go with this guess. It's what I was thinking when it was live.
     
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  16. Onionrings

    Onionrings Member

    Sep 30, 2016
    Long Island
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Additionally watch the nyc defender who kicked the ball out, his first inclination was to complain to the ar when he signaled the ck. Center ref correctly overruled the ar and verbally communicated the throw in and nyc was simply caught napping.
     
  18. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    That’s pretty terrible
    Nothing simple or normal about how the ref handled that.
     
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  19. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    So you've never seen a center ref overrule an AR when he's made a mistake?
     
  20. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Sure but they normally whistle and signal what the call is so both teams know.
     
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  21. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    You think this was an ordinary situation that is essentially ok? Like a quick restart? Head over to the referee forum and see what they think about it.
     
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  22. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spoiler: we absolutely hated it.
     
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  23. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC

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