MLS 2019 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by firefan2001, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My big beef with MLS scheduling and I know this is a tough nut to crack with all the constraints imposed on the schedulers, is the number of midweek games, the number of games in a compressed period followed by weeks without a game. I absolutely think this has affected attendance, I know it affected my going to DC United games and has caused me to drop my STs.

    While I like the new playoff format, I don't like the compressed schedule to get so much of the season done before the International breaks. I don't know why the MLS Cup final can't be done after the November break. The final would only affect 2 teams and the 2-week break provides time for preparation for the final.
     
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  2. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    The biggest holes not addressed are what happens when teams host too many games back to back. Attendance tends to plummet. The is the inherent unfairness for teams to wait so long before having home games at the beginning and middle of the season.
     
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  3. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll add one to your list: Teams in the CONCACAF Champions League have to create placeholders in the calendar in case they remain the competition.
     
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  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not happened at Portland, or Minnesota, or Toronto.
     
  5. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    They haven't had to do it year after year forever either.
     
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  6. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think anyone's suggesting northern teams play almost no home games early in the season. And I can't imagine a scenario that has Minnesota or Portland ever having schedules like they did this year. The idea is that northern clubs don't play home heavy schedules early on, which is what happened here in Columbus, for example. And if you think a cluster of home games summer might hurt attendance, how appealing to fans do you think a run of home matches in a March and early April is in Columbus, or Boston or Toronto, etc?
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Toronto did it in successive years.
     
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of these teams have attendance issues tho... A team like Montreal, which doesn't sell out its games generally, is likely to be more impacted by a protracted road start year after year, than a team like Portland, Minnesota, or Toronto.
     
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  9. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is proposing that, though?

    For example, this year, the Fire:

    - started on the road in LA,. March 2
    - played at home March 9 (vs. Orlando), 16 (vs. Seattle) and 30 (vs. NYRB)
    - played away at... Toronto, on April 6
    - then back home again on April 12 (a Friday vs. Vancouver)
    - and home again on April 20 (vs. Colorado).
    - away at NYC on April 24 (a Wednesday)
    - and away at balmy Montreal on April 28

    First 9 games: 5 at home; 4 on the road, with 2 of those in NYC and Montreal.

    Here in Columbus:

    - Open home vs. NYRB on March 2
    - away to NE on March 9
    - home vs. Dallas March 16
    - away to Philly on March 23
    - home vs. Atlanta on March 30
    - home vs. NE on April 6
    - away at Montreal on April 13
    - home vs. Portland on April 20
    - home vs, DC on April 24 (a Wednesday)
    - and away to Houston on April 27

    First 10 games: 6 at home; 4 away, with 3 of those being in Philly, Boston and Montreal.

    That are some shitty schedules. I'm not asking for zero home games in March and April. But 5-6??? Come on.
     
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  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rumor has it the league will start in February next year (the schedule was compressed this year in order to expand it again next year by starting earlier). How many games do you want in Colorado between Feb. 15th and Apr. 15th? And how many will need to be rescheduled by hours/days/months?
     
  11. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    As long as the Rapids are willing to schedule afternoon games in the sunlight, February should work but no more than two home games each month until April.
     
  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Barring any bomb cyclones (or the like)
     
  13. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    True so they need to play Saturday afternoon so if da bomb happens again, they can play on Sunday afternoon in the cold.
     
  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Final numbers:

    https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2019-mls-attendance/

    Total attendance up with Cincy joining. 3% decrease on per match basis.

    Crew had the largest average increase (19.35%), but it had to go up after last 2018's debacle, and frankly, I had hoped (perhaps foolishly) for more of a bump.

    Portland was the most impressive, adding 4k seats and selling 100% of them. 19.27% increase.

    Next year sees Miami enter at New Lockhart (18k), do not know capacity at Nashville's temp home.

    Would expect Columbus' bump to continue and Chicago to also get bump returning to Soldier Field.
     
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  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can go 2 away, 1 home, 2 away, 1 home, 2 away. So, two.

    MLS scheduling is a joke, however. Gotta love cutting home PO games for lower seeds, AND making room for more useless MLS/Liga MX games.
     
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  16. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    You can't please everyone. I like the single elimination format. Want a home game...play better. I just like the do or die nature of the new format.
    I don't think there is a need to drag the playoffs out. That is what the season is for. I hate when playoffs are another season (NBA, MLB, NHL). Yes, there is a middle ground between single elimination and what NBA, MLB and NHL do, but I prefer single elimination after an entire season. Those other sports also will play 3-4 games a week during playoffs so it doesn't' take as long to play a series.

    I agree with you on the MLS/Liga MX games however.
     
  17. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Here's my usual reminder to help folks keep perspective and appreciate what we've got: in 2000(?) the league as a whole averaged 13.8k, with just 10 teams. The league and the teams were in financial dire straits, to say the least, and something of that scale wasn't attractive to media partners or sponsors.

    The past few years most MLS teams have averaged above that 14k mark, and the league average is now higher than the highest team averages during the league's doldrums. Doing that with even more teams means the league is infinitely more attractive to sponsors and broadcasters.

    Whatever misgivings and woes we have about the league's imperfections MLS has done wonders in one generation to solidify pro soccer in the US. We've gone from doubts about the US sustaining a top flight to now debating how quickly MLS can better compete with more established leagues around the globe. Where once players needed 2nd jobs to supplement their incomes we now have salaries allowing bench players to be full time as well as supplementing development academies.

    MLS has its flaws but it's a godsend compared to what US soccer fans could have realistically envisioned 25 years ago. Pro soccer is now a norm on the US sporting landscape, thanks almost exclusively to MLS.
     
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  18. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's also a good reminder that MLS now outdraws the CFL, NHL and NBA on average. 10 years ago that was not the case. Attendance really isn't even a concern anymore and that's a hell of a lot of progress over 10 years.
     
  19. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CFL average is 23,000 a game :confused:

    And NHL and NBA are both still in the 17,500 range while playing in arenas that on average are only a few hundred more than that.
     
  20. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    So long as we put the asterisk by the NBA and NHL comparison, due to their volume of games, then sure. It's not without value to highlight how an average MLS event will be a larger in-game marketing opportunity. As to the actual value of that by comparison...
     
  21. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're right on the CFL, I guess I saw some bad data, however this year it dropped 6.5% but still just above MLS.

    Here's the thing about the MLS vs. NHL and NBA AVERAGE attendance (we can never compare total attendance, different number of games, it's not worth discussing because MLS will never play 82 games in a season)... If the NBA and NHL aren't going to allow for growth in attendance, that's on them, not MLS.
     
  22. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Agreed but we should also look at the amount of money each of those leagues spends on players and marketing. I don't have the numbers, but I am 100% confident MLS is getting a lot higher numbers in attendance per dollars spent on those two items. Now the NBA and NHL are getting way more out of TV contracts so it more than makes up for the lower attendance.
    But this thread is about attendance and MLS is in a pretty good spot based on amount of money spent and average attendance when compared to the big 4 leagues.
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting trend in cities with both a MLS and CFL team.

    League Average 23,095.80 74.33% of capacity

    Saskatchewan 30,919.40 92.71%
    Edmonton 29,660.30 53.33%
    Calgary 26,592.60 74.59%
    Winnipeg 26,194.40 79.32%
    Hamilton 23,277.00 95.79%
    Ottawa 22,356.60 90.67%
    Montreal 17,699.90 88.39%
    BC 17,425.10 63.36%
    Toronto 12,725.00 48.75%
     
  24. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really. Vancouver, and particularly Montreal and Toronto have traditionally been the weaker CFL markets. CFL’s strength markets are in the Canadian Heartland.
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, not arguing but the year before MLS hit Canada attendances were a lot higher.

    2006
    Toronto - 29,677
    Montreal - 20,202 (100% sold out)
    BC - 31,190

    2019
    Toronto - 12,725
    Montreal - 17,699
    BC - 17,425
     
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