As someone who probably comes off as the "interloper from the NWSL boards" and a general WoSo fan... I say it's fun to joke that the WNT could beat the MNT but there's no way it actually happens unless it's 11v9 or something like that. And it has nothing to do with soccer IQ or skill - it's just the men are literally faster and stronger (same advantages most people claim fueled most of the USWNT's dominance in WoSo). NWSL do preseason scrimmages against MLS academy teams occasionally, and if you look at the "team lineups before kickoff" pictures, you can see that those teenage boys are already a full head taller than the professional women and have bigger arm and leg muscles. Without giving the women a player advantage or two, the boys (and certainly the men) will literally muscle and run the women off the field, even if the women are as good or better in the technical department. But we're waaaay off-topic now. X-D
Not sure of all these capacities are accurate. They were gleaned from multiple sources. I've used an asterix where the stadiums full capacity is generally not used but can be if needed. MLS Atlanta United FC 53,269 125% of capacity* MLS Seattle Sounders 39,663 105%* MLS FC Cincinnati 27,691 83% MLS Portland Timbers 25,218 100% MLS Toronto FC 24,911 83% MLS LA Galaxy 22,897 85% MLS Orlando City SC 22,863 90% MLS LAFC 22,225 101% MLS NYC FC 20,651 71%* MLS Vancouver Whitecaps 19,973 90%* MLS Minnesota United 19,748 102% MLS San Jose Earthquakes 19,218 107% NWSL Portland Thorns FC 19,078 76% MLS Sporting KC 18,901 102% MLS Real Salt Lake 17,771 88% MLS D.C. United 17,393 87% MLS New York Red Bulls 16,856 67% MLS Philadelphia Union 16,448 89% MLS Montreal Impact 16,078 77% MLS Houston Dynamo 15,424 70% MLS NE Revolution 15,295 76%* MLS FC Dallas 14,633 71% MLS Colorado Rapids 14,235 79% MLS Columbus Crew 13,647 68% USL Ch New Mexico United 13,078 97% MLS Chicago Fire 11,770 59% NWSL Utah Royals FC 11,402 56% USL Ch Indy Eleven 10,870 17% USL Ch Sacramento Republic FC 10,502 91% CPL Forge FC 8,511 85%* USL Ch Louisville City FC 8,479 106%* USL Ch Las Vegas Lights FC 7,898 85% USL Ch Nashville SC 7,208 72% USL Ch Memphis 901 FC 7,001 70% USL Ch El Paso Locomotive FC 6,948 73% USL Ch Phoenix Rising FC 6,624 107% CPL Valour FC 6,578 20% USL Ch San Antonio FC 6,527 79% CPL HFX Wanderers FC 5,963 96% NWSL Chicago Red Stars 5,931 30% USL Ch Tampa Bay Rowdies 5,506 76% USL Ch Hartford Athletic 5,460 99%* NWSL Orlando Pride 5,378 21% USL Ch Birmingham Legion FC 4,636 93% NWSL Reign FC 4,495 69% USL Ch Ottawa Fury FC 4,458 19% NWSL NC Courage 4,457 45% USL Ch Saint Louis FC 4,355 79% USL Ch OKC Energy FC 4,303 57% USL Ch North Carolina FC 4,282 43% USL L1 Forward Madison FC 4,207 84% USL Ch Reno 1868 FC 4,082 45% (hybrid) USL Ch Fresno FC 4,029 32% NWSL Houston Dash 3,860 55%* USL Ch CS Switchbacks FC 3,760 75% CPL FC Edmonton 3,752 74% USL Ch Pittsburgh Riverhounds 3,750 75% USL Ch Rio Grande Valley FC 3,680 39% (hybrid) CPL Pacific FC 3,547 55% CPL Cavalry FC 3,463 58% USL L1 Richmond Kickers 3,353 15% NWSL Washington Spirit 3,349 84% USL Ch Orange County SC 2,955 59% CPL York9 FC 2,942 37% USL L1 Lansing Ignite FC 2,838 38% USL Ch Austin Bold FC 2,582 51% USL Ch Charleston Battery 2,448 48% USL L1 Greenville Triumph SC 2,440 61% USL Ch Tulsa Roughnecks 2,378 30% USL Ch Tacoma Defiance 2,211 34% USL Ch Portland Timbers 2 2,113 8% NWSL Sky Blue FC 2,001 40% USL Ch Real Monarchs SLC 1,985 40% USL L1 Chattanooga Red Wolves 1,984 40% USL Ch Atlanta United 2 1,890 23% USL Ch Charlotte Independence 1,789 36% USL L1 S. Georgia Tormenta FC 1,779 51% USL L1 North Texas SC 1,476 7% USL L1 FC Tucson 1,211 35% (Phoenix Rising B) USL Ch LA Galaxy II 776 16% USL Ch New York Red Bulls II 763 15% USL Ch Loudoun United FC 688 14% USL Ch Bethlehem Steel FC 522 3% USL Ch Swope Park Rangers 451 2% USL L1 Orlando City B 206 6% USL L1 Toronto FC II 188 19%
Considering the women's team lost to a u15 boys academy team by a lot (look it up) a few years ago...I am going to say you do not understand the level difference. NCAA DI women's basketball teams find guys that play pick up basketball to practice against and lose.
I've heard it wasn't a proper game, just a scrimmage. Someone at Dallas tweeted the "result" and before they were ask to delete it it went viral.
It doesn't really matter how "proper" it was. It was supposedly 5-0 or something. USWNT would never ever beat any top level pro or international mens' team...period. People used to say the same crap about UT (Tennessee) women's basketball team and UT men's basketball team. If they ever played it would be brutal. There is nothing wrong with it but the level difference between mens and womens sports is MASSIVE. The thing i posted about DI Womens' basketball team regularly practicing against guys that play pickup games is true. There is a reason they do this. It is because playing those guys is a higher level than they could ever get by practicing against each other.
Any scrimmage involving US national team at any level is going to have top officials on a top field. Watched in person a hand full of matches with US Women full national team and U20 national team and I'd say they were at a top tier U14 level for boys (depending on time of year as boys are quickly maturing at that age). The women were smarter, more disciplined, bigger, stronger, but lacked the same level of agility/quickness/explosiveness as boys. Most of the games were pretty even, but the U20 women lost by something like 9-0 or 9-1(which was an anomaly as they usually try and succeed to get competitive games). Now imagine a good team of HS freshman against men of any reasonable. Top girls can generally hang with top boys until about U12. Once puberty begins to kick in, physically it is all over. Not only is there is huge physical difference there is a big difference in technical ability as well. Go to a local park where kids play pick-up or kids practice by themselves. 9 out of 10 times the kids I see kicking the ball around are boys. I'm also being very generous about the 1 in 10 estimate. Boys in general are a lot more invested in sports the girls are. Given the return on investment playing high level sports provides, it also points to the fact that girls mature mentally way ahead of boys.
5-2 I believe. Serena Williams might struggle against your local country club pro but she's the highest earning American of all time.
11,002 in Chicago (God we are a mess, I hope they don't think that this is going to magically go away with the move to Solders Field). Step #1 Andi MUST go...... Step #2 NRod MUST be FIRED Step #3 Pauno MUST be FIRED Step #4 All of NRod's and Pauno's hires MUST be FIRED
Earning money has nothing to do with level between men and women, but that said I was referring to only team sports. Individual sports are another animal. It is possible you could find a top womens player in some sports that can compete with some professional men. Now if you took the #1 top woman against the #1 man they likely wouldn't be able to compete (depending on the sport). There are some "sports" where they could, like marksmanship sports or possibly billiards. I am not sure about a sport like bowling...there is still a strength aspect to that, but a lot of it is precision. Don't take any of this as me saying I think womens' sports are bad or worthless. they are just different and should not be compared to mens' teams just because they are the top of the pile in the womens' world. This is my last post on the topic. I didn't start this topic, just replying to people that replied to me. I completely understand this is way off topic for the thread.
22,363 average this week. 22,342 in LAFC, I wonder how much they could average if they had a Atlanta/Seattle/New England/Vancouver size stadium?
Probably less because that wouldn't have been able to sell all those early season tickets without scarcity.
They had three years like Atlanta had to get to 30k+ season tickets, so I wouldn't be shocked if they could have replicated the same.