MLS 2015 Salary Analysis.

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by kirchhausen, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. kirchhausen

    kirchhausen Member+

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ashburn, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somebody needs to figure out a dollars per point chart.
     
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  3. kirchhausen

    kirchhausen Member+

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ashburn, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I put together a salary analysis based on the 2015 Salary list the MLS Uniion just released. Some facts pertinent to DC United:

    • Of the 21 players making at least $1 million this year in base salary, there are 0 on the United roster.
    • Of the additional 16 players making between $500k-$999k in base salary, there are 0 on the United roster.
    • United ranks 16/20 in overall base salary for 2015, ahead of RSL, Montreal, FC Dallas, and surprisingly (to me anyway) NYRB. More than half of the salary in the entire league (53% to be exact) is spent on the TFC, LA, NYC, Orlando, and Seattle.
    • Those 5 teams total salaries are at least 2.5 times DC United's entire Salary, with Toronto leading the way spending 5.29 times more than DC United in 2015.
    • There are 10 PLAYERS in the league that make a larger base salary than DC United pays for its entire roster. (3 on Toronto, 3 on LA, 2 on NYC, 1 on Orl, and 1 on Seattle)
     
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  4. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Couple of points -- looking at individual salaries, Dykstra, Opare, Coria and Doyle are bargains. Jalen Robinson and Collin Martin make more than Opare. Halsti is over $330K -- that's a great deal of money spent on keeping the bench warm.

    Now, looking at that chart - Chicago is a pure shitshow. I remember some folks calling for Yallop to come here in 2013 during DCU's darkest hours. Glad he didn't -- overrated and a failure everywhere but SJ -- for a very short time. Philly isn't much better. RBNY with the lowest payroll in the league, expecting sunrise in the West tomorrow and bring that overcoat to Hell.
     
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  5. kirchhausen

    kirchhausen Member+

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ashburn, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if there is something to be said for the league vetting the expansion owners for ability and likelihood to invest more on their rosters. The only original team in that top 5 list is the LA Galaxy, and they are owned by Anschutz who owned half the league at one point.
     
  6. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Espindola makes well over $175k (I would imagine he's over $500k), but the players' union lists him at $175k for transfer related reasons, as they're unsure exactly how he gets paid.
     
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  7. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    And yet Dallas, Montreal and Red Bull have all managed some pretty entertaining attacking soccer pretty frequently …

    We all wish that our FO would be more ambitious to be higher on that list, but that list is also a warning on how dangerous it is to put so many eggs in one basket. Look at Chicago. Look at Jermaine Jones and Pedro Morales who haven't played in weeks/months. Emeghara is out for the year. We get as much if not more out of Boswell/Birnbaum than these teams get out of Collin, Edu or Ridgewell. Has Diskerud done more than Kitchen? Kevin Doyle has looked about the same as Conor Doyle so far. Lampard is ancient and showed up injured.

    It really is a mixed bag … until you get up to the multi millionaire tier of MLS DPs like Keane, Giovinco, Dempsey, Martins, Villa and Kaka where you really start to see some significant separation in quality
     
  8. JRHokie

    JRHokie Member+

    Aug 23, 2001
    Fairfax, VA
    I'd rather see dollars per championship :p
     
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  9. itwasi

    itwasi Member+

    May 9, 2008
    I don't know
    Club:
    DC United
    #9 itwasi, Jul 17, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2015
    I'm sorry, that observation is incorrect. We've all been told, many times, that MLS teams on a budget cannot play attractive soccer and get points.
     
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  10. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    When did Rivero get traded to TFC?

    Aurelian Collin and Liam Ridgewell both make more than 500,000 US dollars! I wouldn't trade Opare straight up for either.

    Yes, that has to be an MLS first. But with the whispers that the soda pop company wants to dump the NY soccer division, it's not much of a surprise.
     
  11. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point, makes it an easier sell with less wage obligations.
     
  12. kirchhausen

    kirchhausen Member+

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ashburn, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it possible to feel bad for the Swamp Creatures to the north?

    • First, they change their identity so the can be a marketing arm of a cancer causing* energy drink
    • Next, Man City West comes in to the league and steals all of their Swag.
    • Then the Cows fire their most popular coach in team history after winning the only meaningful hardware in that godforsaken team's 20 year history.
    • Finally the team is in a salary dump spiral in an attempt to spin the team off with no end in sight for a real ownership group (ok the last one sounds a little familiar)
    *allegedly
    spoiler (open)
    Nope. Still don't feel sorry for them. Not one bit
     
  13. DangerMouse37

    DangerMouse37 Member+

    Jan 22, 2004
    WDC / Barra
    Until the spoiler, I was really concerned for you. Now that I know balance has been restored in the universe, I feel better. There's a reason they're called the scum.
     
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  14. Murr

    Murr Member+

    Apr 14, 2007
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    DC United

    Goff said he's over $6ook per source, but didn't give specifics.
     
  15. Freestyle2000

    Freestyle2000 Moderator

    Feb 6, 2000
    LA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yup. Remember, Espindola is a DP: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...corer-fabian-espindola-designated-player-2015. Doesn't that mean he has to be +$500,000?

    Still, he is the only one, I think.

    Right now, we're looking really good (and I would argue outperforming) in terms of salary. I think what I fear is this: In a two-game series, when you absolutely need to have someone step up and score a goal, do you want Bradley-Altidore-Giovinco? Do you want Lampard-Villa-Diskerud? Or do you want Sabario-Espindola-Rolfe?
     
  16. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    False choice because one of either Bradley or Altidore will be injured for Toronto. For Man City West, it will be both Lampard and Villa injured, Diskerud running around like a mad man while Pirlo sits at a table drinking grappa and taking a smoke break.
     
  17. fairfax4dc

    fairfax4dc Member+

    Dec 5, 2008
    Fairfax, Va
    Obviously that's a loaded question. All things being equal, you get what you pay for. But before we worry too much about matching up with Toronto in the playoffs, Toronto has to make the playoffs, something they've never managed to do despite a history of fairly lavish spending.
     
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  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It saddens me to say this, but give me the Bradley/Altidore/Giovinco trio.

    Even without Bradley or Altidore, Giovnico can beat DC pretty much on his own (as he's already done once this season).
     
  19. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Right now I would say Giovinco and any two other guys.
     
  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish I could rep this more than once.
     
  21. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did a little comparison of points per game to salary rankings to get a sense of which teams were over/under performing. Taking points per game league ranking minus salary ranking to get a measure of cost effectiveness.
    The lower the number the better (1st in PPG - 2oth in salary would be -19). Teams tied on PPG I gave a value of the avg position of the spots they held (so if tied for 4th & 5th, it would be 4.5 ranking in PPG)

    From best performing to worst;

    FC Dallas -17 (2nd in PPG - 19th in salaries)
    DC United -13 (3rd PPG - 16th in salaries)
    NYRB -12
    Sporting KC -8
    Montreal -6
    Portland -4.5
    Columbus -4
    Vancouver -3.5
    RSL -2
    Houston -1.5
    San Jose -1
    Seattle -0.5
    Colorado 4.5
    Galaxy 4.5
    Toronto 8
    New England 9
    Philadelphia 9
    Orlando 9.5
    Chicago 14
    NYCFC 14.5

    I guess the one surprising thing to me is that only 1 of the teams that have set themselves apart salary-wise could be considered as performing at expectations. Seattle with the 5th highest salary level is tied in the 4th & 5th spot on PPG. That and the most efficient teams are also teams that have had notable success with their academies (FCD, DCU...who else would we rank as academy leaders? Seattle, RSL and mayve NYRB???? I really don't know)
     
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  22. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    What do we consider the academy's success on the current roster? Hamid?
     
  23. fischy

    fischy Member

    Aug 27, 2006
    United might have been first to the starting gate with Hamid and Najar, but since then, the DCU Academy might rank at the bottom. I guess it's hard to say for sure, without having more to evaluate with Robinson, Martin and Seaton. On the other hand, their meager contributions are the issue...or, part of it, anyway. Collectively, the Academy teams, once dominant, are struggling in comparison to MLS opposition these days. Individually, our guys struggle, too. Outside of Romain Gall (who was with DCU briefly and who didn't even make the final cut for the U20 WC), it's been a while since any of our boys has been really involved in top US youth teams. There have been a few U18 cameos, but no one has been in the U17 or U20 conversation. Carranza might still have shot at changing that.
     
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  24. JRHokie

    JRHokie Member+

    Aug 23, 2001
    Fairfax, VA
    The Academy has had problems since Sonny Silooy left. I know at some levels anyway the coaching is just plain bad.
     

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