Meet the Alt-Right

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  1. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

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    Also, I wouldn't use that 'Islamic country' term with Turkey too freely. Of course this is the Turkey that AKP and Erdoğan are creating.

    But if you ask the average CHP or HDP voter, they would tell you that Turkey is a secular country whose citizens are mostly Islamic. It's an important distinction. And these Turks make up more than 35% of Turkey.
     
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  2. noSpinFactor

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    - Turks are a combination of Asia/Europe. I've had the pleasure of experiencing Istanbul a couple times. I think in small numbers they can easily integrate into European society but the larger the number the more significant problems. Are Turks European? Short answer No. Their religion makes them constantly at odds with most European sub-cultures. They are definitely my number 1 choice of immigrants from a Muslim nation but there are a couple handfuls of nations on Earth I would take before them.

    - Modern liberalism is what we have and continue to see in Western Civilization post WW2. Cultural marxism is the process of mixing into one single melting pot - a gender, tradition, and family-less pot. Essentially what we see in liberal hubs such as Los Angeles and New York. Everyone is everything which results in nothing - values and ideals change according to the wind [Hollywood].

    - My understanding is the nations expected to have the largest birth rate spikes over the next 50 years are Nigeria and India.

    - Too many religions and history involved. Easier just to reinforce the front door and let chaos occur outside. Otherwise we will continue being at the mercy of foreign governments whom either threaten to empty their refugee camps on us - or continue to drag their feet on accepting back their rejected refugee applicants. Unless you want to see European citizens shooting people on the streets - better start reinforcing that border now.
     
  3. superdave

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    a phrase that happens when you throw two words together so that you can sound smart but you aren't. SEE ALSO: Athletes using "I" when they should be using the objective case "me."
     
  4. superdave

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    Sockpuppet!
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    South Orange actually

     
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  6. dapip

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    #356 dapip, Mar 17, 2017
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    Greeks too. Persians too. Hungarians and Slavs. There's Arab heritage in Spain and Portugal. The movement between Europe and Asia has been almost permanent through humanity's existence.



    Nice.

    What are small numbers to you?


    Who is European according to you?

    What about Bosnians? What about Anglicans that wanted to kill Catholics or vice-versa? What about Baptists that want to kill all Mulims? And isn't Europe supposedly secular? Why should you care about their religion?


    Has that changed in any significant way recently? Aren't we as a world richer, more liberal and more free to do whatever we want to pursue?


    LA, NY, San Francisco, Seattle, Paris, Rome, London, etc are thriving cities!!! Ideas flourish, capital flows, visitors abound. They are the bastions of Modern Liberalism, cities where human freedom and ideals develop and infect the world.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/12-a...t-economies-in-the-world-2012-7?op=1/#lanta-3

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    Correct. Asia is buzzing with people and they are about 60% of humanity and 55% in 40 years. Africa is growing fast too, they'll be 25% of the world population by then. Meanwhile Europe will be old and relatively depopulated. Expect more workers from those regions to fill the productivity gap or a sharp decline in your economic fortunes.

    So basically you want to go against the flow of history. Europe is the main hub of Christianity but it has been so through political dominance and it has not been uniform, having plenty of schisms and also long periods where large areas of the continent were dominated by other religions.

    Funny. When did a foreign country impose anything on the EU? Those are the same arguments the conservatives in the US use to reject people that has been vetted extensively and that is probably the most productive you can find.
     
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  7. ceezmad

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    Are you sure? He replied 2 times to the same post if that is the case.
     
  8. bigredfutbol

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    Pretty much nobody describes themselves as a "cultural Marxist".
     
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  9. hi!!

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    You could use the term indo-european. Yeah sure, central european architecture was the result of 3 german colonies in Africa where they learnt their architecture from African tribes. And the Cologne Cathedral was built on the backs of african slavery. Sure.

    Sure, the reason why Finland is flooded by somalis is probably because of Finlands Colonial adventures in Eastern Africa. Sure.

    Yeah everyone has had slavery. That's my Point. Only one Group feels bad about though. You could probably not find a single Turk who feel guilty about ottoman slavery and imperialism, which was far more brutal than western.

    That's what liberals don't get. People are not like you. They don't want to be like you. They look at you as stupid and weak.
     
  10. dapip

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    I think you illustrate this point way better than you think.
     
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  11. charlie15

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    Just had a look at the last couple of pages. I did not know that Steve King, our friend from Iowa, was a regular poster here! :eek:
     
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  12. Dr. Wankler

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    Yeah, but, JEWS!

    It means "left wing Jews."

    That's because left wing Jews are sneaky.

    [/alt-right fanboy]
     
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  13. luftmensch

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    Out of all the bullshit you've spewed I think this one takes the cake. There's an ENORMOUS diversity of cultures in places like LA and New York, on the most basic level in the very different ethnic neighborhoods each with its own flavor, but yes, also just diverse people interacting with each other, influencing each other but also managing to retain their own identity.

    A melting pot, in contrast, is more what conservatives seem to want, but the type in which every incoming culture just absorbs itself into "American" or "European" (whatever that is) culture, and ceases to maintain an identity at all beyond that.

    Seriously, you have absolutely no concept of what diversity is or why it's touted as a value, probably because of your obvious inherent biases against cultures you find distasteful.
     
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  14. luftmensch

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    You know, you might be better off working out these issues with your therapist instead of a bunch of strangers online.
     
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  15. charlie15

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    I guess you realized you are arguing with an openly racist and xenophobic individual. Lost case....
     
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  16. luftmensch

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    It's why I hadn't argued with him yet but I just couldn't let this one go, more because he completely mischaracterized that specific issue than the idiocy of his opinions in general.
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

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    Someone suggested for me to bring this here.

    This is, IMO, the best take on what the Alt-Right is. I've observed its development from long before the time it was called that: it was more a branch of the Libertarian movement --the Buchanan years, when somehow a group of the Libertarian people took the wrong turn and ended up in purely anti-Semitic territory.

    In spite of the "jokerish" style, there is a lot of bitterness behind it. Often, these are smart people who, somehow, fell between the cracks. A good brain with too much idle time can fit pieces from reality in many novel ways, some of which are poison --thus, failure feeds itself.

    Anyway, no matter how disgusting you find it, how absurd it seems, or how annoying the tone, I recommend reading through it.

    http://www.dailystormer.com/a-normies-guide-to-the-alt-right/
     
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  18. russ

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    Yeah,it's kinda tl;dr but there are some gems in there like "free market socialism."Dafuq?

    Nailed Milo though.

    Really ignores the Euro right wing,interestingly.

    Ignores the left wing of Christianity (I suppose the argument would be it's been corrupted by denying who killed Christ.*

    */s)
     
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  19. Suyuntuy

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    Also note the importance of "turf" here: gamer circles & Anime forums.

    Basically, if you're not a young white male, those two become very hard to be a part of: women are chased away, minorities relentlessly insulted, older white guys ignored.

    It's a battle for the minds and souls of young white guys, specially the ones likely to become leaders in a decade or so (intelligent and/or wealthy).
     
  20. The Devil's Architect

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  21. The Devil's Architect

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  22. Suyuntuy

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    Yep, the root of all this is a failure as men, which in turn may be due to a total lack of supervision by their parents growing up. These types are often children of lenient "Liberal" parents who never paid enough attention to them, so they grew up with the distorted idea that what matters is being an "alpha" and to be an "alpha" you had to be a dirtbag, with no real affections and proud of being a bully.

    It's a failed generation from terrible parents, those people in the 80s who were told stupidly that you're supposed to be your kids' "friend" and to leave them their privacy. So no one corrected them when they harassed other people, when they started exploring "truth" without any guidance, no one brought them to earth when they thought being "redpilled" made them somehow superior or special.

    A generation with access to huge amounts of information, but with no one to guide them, no one to teach them that "data" is not the same as "knowledge," that knowing stuff and being smart is worthless without ethical principles to give it all a certain purpose. Deep down, it's quite sad.
     
  23. JohnR

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    Wait now. You are claiming that Alt Right kids come disproportionately from liberal families? I want to see that proof.
     
  24. dapip

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    Do you have any link to back the assertions I highlighted? I mean, I do agree that there is some parenting issues there but why do you think that "liberal parents" will raise bigot conservative children?

    Furthermore, what percentage of people ends up in these extreme groups? Why do you think that 1, 2, 5, 10% (or whatever the percentage of children it is) equals a "failed generation"? If anything younger people tends to be more liberal and in tune with diversity, while older and uneducated people (the kind of people that voted for Trump) tends to be less open and more suspicious of people different from them.
     
  25. Boloni86

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    There's a lot more to it than parenting probably.

    This country has valued individualism and some level of social isolation long before the 80's. What with our suburban sprawl and car culture. The difference now is technology which makes the hermit lifestyle a lot easier
     
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